ctsniper86 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I have a convict chiclid in my tank and he is reeking havock all over. I have tried to give him away, but no one round these parts wants him and I don't have anywhere else to put him. I really want to be humane with him/her but it just has to go. Whats a humane way to kill it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz_Nomad Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Have you tried asking your LFS? I had troublesome fish that were causing damage and the LFS was happy to take them off my hands and sell them on, giving me shop credit in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsniper86 Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yep have asked both the one in town and the one in the neighbourghing town, both look at me and said nope, don't do convicts. Acted sorta like it was a nasty word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2discus Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I think i read in a book that putting them in a bag, in water, in the freezer works, aparently when you take them out, the fish is still upright (not stressed), never tried it myself, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_r Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 hold fish by tail and whack head against...well anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 hold fish by tail and whack head against...well anything im sure he was looking for a "humane" way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_r Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 thats about as humane as you can get really, they die instantly. Imagine the pain & suffering they would go through sitting in a freezer until the water is cold enough to kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsarmina Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 another way is by putting the fish in a separate container, that no other fish will go near, in water and add a few drops of clove oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidmad Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 i read that fish dont have pain receptors but yea whack its head with a hammer dont smash it though it may get messy if you do just imagine how bad it would be if you were locked in the freezer personally id perfer to be knocked out or find someone with a big carnivore and give it to them as food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I think the freezer is painless because they just shut down and chill out and then die... But yeah if you don't want the hassle just feed them out or smash them on the concrete its instant and effective.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsniper86 Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I think the freezer sounds most humane, I imagine that they sort of just go into a deep sleep like we would if we were in the a really cold freezer and not wake up. Sounds nicer than beating them round the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 If you do it right wacking them on the head would be the quickest and most humane way to do it. I don't think I could quite do that though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimebag Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 would you rather be hit on the head and die instantly or frozen to death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slightly Blue Dalmation Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 you cant compare fish to humans they react in different ways, most animals just shut down peacefully when they get too cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsta Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 The best way is to use Oil of Cloves. It's kind and they don't suffer, and it's not grusome like whaking the fish (!?) This method is from Goldfish Connection: Pure clove oil can be purchased in a drug store, health food store and sometimes even a grocery store. In fact we had so many request for Oil of Cloves we now offer it on our Goldfish Connection store. Fill a half gallon container or smaller with tank water, add your sick goldfish. Half fill a small jar with tank water, add one full teaspoon of clove oil and shake well until the water turns white. Add the clove water to the container with your goldfish. Your goldfish should stop breathing and appear dead within minutes. If he doesn't, add more of the oil of cloves. Keep your goldfish in the solution for ten minutes, then place him in a baggie or food container and put him in your freezer. Note: the AVMA recommends 10 times the anesthetic dose, which is 5 drops per gallon for Oil of Cloves, a teaspoon full is many times this amount. Method Two: Baking Soda (carbon dioxide) If you don't have pure oil of gloves available and the pH of your water is between 6.5 and 8.5 you can use Baking Soda. Fill a half gallon container or smaller with tank water, add 4 ounces of baking soda, mix well until all the baking soda is dissolved and add your sick goldfish. The baking soda added to the water produces unconsciousness by increasing the carbon dioxide. Wait ten minutes after r espiration stops. Then place your goldfish in a baggie or food container and put him in your freezer. Everyone has their own ideas which is the most humane method, I prefer the Oil of Cloves. I know it's not easy to have to make the decision to put your goldfish to sleep, especially after you become attached to them. But after all the loving care you have given them and they still are very sick and you know they are suffering, the time must come when you must relieve them from their pain. The important thing is that you don't blame yourself for their death. You did your best and sometimes that's just not good enough to cure a terminal health problem. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 quick is best in the old days they were thrown hard onto concrete spiking snapper in the brain is an accepted way of "youth in asia" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtv Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yea I agree with a quick hit over the head. I did some research about the freezer method and found that it is an excruciating death where ice crystals form in the blood stream. Doesn't sound too humane to me? I am afraid to admit that this was how I use to do it but not after reading that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I find giving them a quick whack on the concrete fast and efficient. If it is a reasonable size I put it in a plastic bag first - less messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy_t Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yeah I vote for hitting it hard on the head, I grew up on a trout farm and that’s how we dealt to them, sometimes they quiver after but they aren't alive, its just their nerves firing... It’s by far the most humane way as people have said. Reason being their brain is pretty basic and all positioned along the top of the head, a decent belt to it will take them out REALLY fast and they will hardly feel a thing – it’s not like they have a large complex brain and thick skull like us to get through so they really don't feel it coming. Saying that I would of course find it hard to do i to a pet fish! Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yea I agree with a quick hit over the head. I did some research about the freezer method and found that it is an excruciating death where ice crystals form in the blood stream. Doesn't sound too humane to me? I am afraid to admit that this was how I use to do it but not after reading that! For tropical fish...Well, that's kind of like worrying about how much it hurts a dead person to be cremated. They're dead hours before they freeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 you cant compare fish to humans they react in different ways, most animals just shut down peacefully when they get too cold humans do that too, we dont know that it hurts the animals as they cant tell us! clove oil in an ice cream container or bucket best i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Realistically what do humans actuallyknow about humane. Are we not the most destructive organism on the earth. Quick death is best. Mr L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsniper86 Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well this has made a good discussion but my dad has managed to track down an old tank from when he had his pet shop, so i've put him in that all by himself. Don't think i could kill it by hitting it, but i don't have to for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy_t Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Thats good well done! Convicts are cool fish, would be a shame to waste him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoody Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 yeah SOMEBODY must want him?! I'd have to put a vote in for the whack on the head treatment too! Know I would'nt want to be frozen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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