BK

Only clean when you notice that the flow has reduced from the filter and only 1/2 at a time.

Dead snails? meds for ich have copper in them that pretty much deals to them I think. Add cycle/stress coat and water changers are the only way.

Next they'll be beating kids.

The female Ram has a growth just to one side of the front of the dorsal. I've treated this with allsorts and hasn't gone even taken her out and apply direct. It's like a pimple and raised about 2mm, I gave it a flick with a blade and it empty out and treated with Furan but still came back. Some one on here had a post about the same kind of things but between the eyes and it died. She still has the growth and seems 100% bossing the male around and it’s now been over a month since I treated so just going to see what happens. I'm not cutting into her.

How many female BN can I have with my male, the female isn't spawning so would like to give him some options. 2-foot tank How many female Blue Rams can I have with my male? The current female has a growth by the front of her dorsal which I've cut off/open and treated with heaps of things but still there and she's not spawning. 3-foot tank

So this would mean that someone at MAF would’ve inspected these fish? Shouldn’t they then have had an idea what these were when they came in for the pet trade? Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

That's big enough to put a saddle on.

Interesting letter in today's press about this. Reading how the Glass Kulli issue was handled and the Danios it seems like there are two different rules. The Glass kullis don't seem to get the jackboots in the morning and MAF are working with the people while the Danios seem to be enemy number one with dawn raids and MAF telling us nothing before hand. It's a pity that the post warren has linked to couldn’t be done before the action was taken. If any one has a problem with the way I write and spell get a life!!! Or are you just trying to put people down?? BK - If you have a point across, please try to use punctuation, and correct spelling, all I can see from that post is a jumble of angry thoughts and words. I think your trying but not quite good enough to realize that you have yourself mess up. Should this read; BK if you have a point to put across please try to use punctuation and correct spelling. All I can see from that post is a jumble of angry thoughts and words. What standard is required? Please inform me and can someone than mark the post out of 10 for spell, punctuation etc

Livingart that’s where I'm coming from, currently there is no control as birds are still being smuggled.

My Apisto's are breeding in a tank with Discus and cory's. I have some young but they are still about 2 months from being big enough.

I've got a 600x300x400 for sale if you’re keen ($30.00 with lid). Got some air pumps. Will show u how to make your own sponge filter as well. Can swap some stories on Blue rams. I've had them lay but they either get eaten or I take them out of the tank and they get fungus. I have some Apisto's breeding that you might be keen on as well, they're like rams but not as colorful but good to start breeding with. PM if you’re keen. PS I have 4 tanks set up like this for breeding so will give you idea about using peat and stuff. I'll give you starter culture of White Worms as long as when you breed those top grade Rams I can have first option on buying some.

Nice boxer. Impellers will be the problem. You can't tell by looking at them unless they are real bad.

Markoshark that may be the reason they give for not releasing but it doesn't stack up. The disease's are already in the environment so there is no risk of release something that isn't. Wild birds eat the seed that is around an aviary and any disease is then passed on, same happens when the mesh isn't small enough and sparrows can fly in. We would listen more if what they said were true.

All I'm saying is there needs to be some balance in what MAF do but there is none. Goldfish and guppies in our rivers are a bigger problem than this but are they doing any thing apart from poison some lakes no they even allow more of these fish to be imported. If the rules/law was fair and just more people would live by it but we currently have a Gov Dept that doesn't have a clue about what they are trying to do. Like Allan said in many posts the reason they don't import some things is just wrong and they won't change. I don't like GE/GM either but the way they go about things is just nuts. Try getting info out of MAF and see what happens, your treated like its there country and you can just piss off. DOC is no better, try and get a permit for Kakariki, oh and if you do and they breed guess what they tell you to do with our native parrot chicks. Its not let they go and it has something to do with neck and ring. Until they treat us as partners there’s not much hope in them getting support. What is stopping MAF from saying that Goldfish aren't on the list and have to be rubbed out? Nothing apart from a memo from MAF, how can you deal with that? Auckland Zoo were given a permit to import bird eggs but once they had been purchase and about to ship or where being shipped the permit was cancelled, this after work with MAF and doing everything they asked. If any one was going to do the right thing wouldn't it be 'A' Zoo. How can any one work with this. All we are asking for is to be dealt with fairly. I've spoken to MAF in regards to parrots and they can't even accept that by making them illegal to import it has increase the demand for smuggled eggs.

No replies to the questions about Goldfish and the others that aren't on the list, so does that mean every ones happy to have MAF around tomorrow. Oh thats rigth 2 standards.

Loopy they don't need to tell us but wouldn't it be better asking people to bring these in or scaring people who then hide what they have. There are lots of laws that weren't right (guy rights, nothing change but the law). Is what MAF did right??? Who knows but all the blame seems to be getting pointed at the breeders. You all can defend MAF as much as you like and blame the breeders to the sun goes down but at the end of the day it was MAF who let these into our country and they should emit that it was there fault. Not try and make out on the news that they are doing this great job stopping people keeping these fish.

On a side note, if goldfish aren't allow to be imported should we be keeping these, there must be a reason why they can't be imported any more same goes for WCMM. If guppies and other livebearers are in our waterways should these also be banned? Where is the sense allowing more of these in? No one I know has said that we should be able to have access to GloDanio's or that they should be hiding from MAF. Who has the Last say or what comes in to NZ? MAF Who made the mistake? MAF Who without warning or asking came on to private property to try and fix their mistakes? MAF What did the importer do? Ordered fish of a list. Did they know that these weren’t allowed and would to put down at border??? Don't think so. What did the breeder do? Breed fish that MAF let in. May have an Idea that things weren't 100%, but MAF had passed them. Who is the problem here?

Mark I talked to the guy and he told me that is what the let him do so other than my comment people would still be in the dark about what to expect. How can you work with MAF if they don't tell us any thing.

Freaky how is the "Mum and Dad" fish keeps meant to Know when they have been checked by MAF. Do you blame the crew and passengers on the plane that crush after it was checked by the guy who fixxed/checked it. Or do you blame the guy who sent the wrong parts. It all comes back to the guy that fixxed/checked it made these fit. They past MAF's test's does this not make them ok untill MAF say's other wise, so untill yesterday MAF hadn't told any one that these weren't ok. Both side please.

Mark the list will only ever get shorter not longer. No matter how much since it makes that is why a lot of people didn't say any thing, as they would rather not deal with these guys if they aren't listening to us. Did you have you tanks checked, hope you don't have any normal Danio's in there as they could decide to take these and you can't do any thing. If they dealt with us fairly they may find that they get more help on going but "jack boots in the morning" doesn't make for good dealings. Why is it always one way, when did MAF come to us and say that these aren't allowed but were going to start letting these in. Never. Takes two. Problems with both sides so why line up with MAF???? Do they not visit the shops why did they not notice or do they not know what they are looking at. At the end of the day they have been report in more than one area of NZ so they haven't gotten these out of the country and the people with the most responsibility for this is MAF as its there job to make sure these things don't come in not ours.

I think the no one on here wants something in NZ that shouldn't be, but to blame the guys that have them and try to gloss over the fact that MAF alowed these things is just wrong. Now if you had these in your tank with fonts, Discus and small arow or what ever would you be keen to call MAF. Sure they would've had a better out come if they offered a reward for handing them in but again they have shown us that they are rigth and we can just go and get flushed.

This was in reply to a couple of post above but posted on the other thread. """""Any reasonable person could just look at the fish and the coloured offspring and know something was funky."""" But the people who get paid to do this can't so we should???? I'm just saying that they made the mistake they should pay for it. If you haven't had to deal with them on a number of issues you really don't know what happens. Premits to import Sheep and goats for central CHCH. Where is there brain at. No problem with not having these in NZ due to GE but lets play with the same ball. I again come back to the issue of importing birds why chickens and not parrots. Both can bring in problems but they only allow chicken ins. How is this fair. """""They are a bunch of normal people who have to do their job like the rest of us and make mistakes like the rest of us. """""" Doesn't matter if you win or lose, yah right. The next plane crash can be quite easly be dealt with by saying they did there best. Sure the people on the plane would be happy with that. Free and Fair for all please

I'm just saying that they made the mistake they should pay for it. If you haven't had to deal with them on a number of issues you really don't know what happens. Premits to import Sheep and goats for central CHCH. Where is there brain at. No problem with not having these in NZ due to GE but lets play with the same ball. I again come back to the issue of importing birds why chickens and not parrots. Both can bring in problems but they only allow chicken ins. How is this fair. The next plane crash can be quite easly be dealt with by saying they did there best. Sure the people on the plain would be happy with that. Free and Fair for all please

Yet again they show us that they don't know what they are going. Sure as hell wouldn't let them fix my push bike let only deal with living beings.

They have parrot fever in the North Island as well so there is no reason to stop the import. As you say Allan its got more to do with what people think than what the facts are on the ground.