When quarantining fish a 10% loss of fish would bring Maf in with a big sledge hammer and from a commercial point of view there is no profit in dead fish. It seems that you are having difficulty accepting that there are many ways to cycle an aquarium as there are many ways to breed and keep fish. I think people starting out there should be given these options so they can make the choice as to how they wish to carry these things out. Your reference to my grandfather only shows that you have missed the point. As I stated, neither of my grandfathers would have kept fish as they went through depressions and world wars and therefore would have been more interested in being able to keep themselves and their families alive and fed. My reference was to "grandfather" meaning a generation or two ago.