camtang Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 here is a great doco on religion as a whole, very informative and althought it sides on the evolutionist it does have some good points for the dreationist. also its super funny and well worth a watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMDF3bGyFmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 this will end up like the weed portion of this thread agree to disagree and let it trail off into the internet ether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 this will end up like the weed portion of this thread agree to disagree and let it trail off into the internet ether but who are you disagreeing with, or is it just a general disagreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I feel that people should devote their own lives to themselves instead of trying to please this "God" character, especially when they have no proof of it being real. I disagree with the whole God/Jesus thing, but that's not to say that there isn't some sort of supernatural force that we don't know about, and whether there is or not is not of my concern because it doesn't affect me and I'd just like to get on with my life I really love this quote by Epicurus "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 but who are you disagreeing with, or is it just a general disagreement? just an observation on the vagaries of the human mind and internet forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I really love this quote by Epicurus "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" The appropriate response is that we being human are not equipped to understand an infinite mind. And I have trouble following the plots of TV programs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Joe, that is a very profound quote and will offend plenty of christians but I tend to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Epicurus 341 BC – 270 BC so he was talking about the Greek gods .. Zeus etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 no he was talking about food probably takeaways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 food glourious food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I prefer to make my own food. Much nicer than takeaways !drool: I'm about to make another curry shortly :bounce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I feel that people should devote their own lives to themselves instead of trying to please this "God" character, especially when they have no proof of it being real. "proof" of Gods existance would defeat the purpose of "faith". And [seems how someone needs to play devils advocate if this is to be a discussion of any sorts], with regard to the quote, it doesn't really make sense. If the bible is to be believed then God made the world perfect and man mucked it up, Epicurus seems to blame God for mans evil (despite us supposedly being made as free-willed beings) and thinks because he hasn't come and sorted out his troubles he therefor doesn't exist (or isn't worth believeing in). It seems to me that many people get God and Santa muddled up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 It seems to me that many people get God and Santa muddled up... What, Santa isn't a jolly fat man who habitually wears red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 or maybe it's Santa or Bad Santa we think of as God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 I thought it was a theory that had been proven to be fact Nope just a theory. A very very good theory, but a theory none-the-less. (I'm not religious btw and believe in evolution - but that doesn't make it any less of a theory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Bernard Haisch didn't like takeaways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 nah dude i'm pretty sure it's proven at least beyond reasonable doubt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nope. If it's fact and proven, then there is no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Nope. If it's fact and proven, then there is no doubt. that's cool. turns out it's totally acceptable to believe in something that is nothing more than a fairy tale.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Quantum theory allows the possibility that one can walk through solid walls. However the probability that this will happen is vanishingly small, and similar to the probability that evolution as a theory is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 the story of creation and the big bang theory aren't too far apart just a lot more words on one side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 the story of creation and the big bang theory aren't too far apart just a lot more words on one side Thats something that intrigues me too. At the time the bible was written peoples scientific understanding was so limited that trying to bring them up to speed on how the world was created would have taken ten times the pages, so it was far easier to say wham bam done in seven days and get on with the other stuff. I find it impossible to believe the world is only six thousand years old, but equally difficult to believe that life can come from a completely inert nothingness (I have no problem with Darwins theory of natural selection, you'd be a mug to not be able to understand how that works on some scale, but its the very beginning where it falls over for me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 this guy takes a stab at it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Haisch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 The interesting thing is how many religions that preceeded christianity had similar stories to tell. Miraculous births, 12 deciples, miracles, death and reserection after 3 days, 3 wise men following a star. The best part is the people who call themselves christians but want to quote to you from the old jewish teachings before christ---much of which he spoke out against. I would have thought that Christians would have followed the teachings of Christ. If you want a laugh listen to Michael Laws on talkback radio (who claims to be a practicing Anglican (which is RC without a pope) and here him laugh at the brown fellas that come on in the afternoon and believe in Tanawhas.So who believes in mythology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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