camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 my pregnant missus (not that she is - touch wood) :sml1: I will touch some wood to double your odds. I was meaning prescription narcotics; I should have said so. You know, the stuff that kills pop stars all the time. Are you refering to prescription meds for illegel use or legitamite use? Because again they are easy enough to come by in any situation, there will always be a user out there somewhere that knows exactly what to say to get what they want from a doctor for either there use or to sell to the public. Same with legitamite use, its still rather easy to get hold of, we live in a western society at the end of the day and "west is best" when it comes to meds. there is always alternatives but most doc's are pretty quick with there pen and pad. For instance I told my doc I was becoming stressed, feeling pressured, low energy and couldnt sleep all due to study pressures ( self diagnosis) she quickly went to write me a prescription for anti depressents. I just laughed and said no thanks I will go outside and play more cricket, problem solved within a week or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Because the government provide things like health care and welfare and therefore are obliged to offer some form of protection of its people from what is deemed harmful (yes I know, then why is alcohol or tobacco legal, etc etc). Its actually called socialism, not communism. If you want to live in a society where the choice is yours I suggest you look up the Libertarianz party, if you wish to have the freedom to make what ever choices you want [providing they don't effect another persons freedom to do the same] then you must also be prepared to endure the consequences of those choices yourself. Hate to tell you this, but the government has made plenty of decisions and actively does plenty of things that have no regard at all to our health. I find it so strange when someone even links "protection" with the "government", they have the monopoly on the power, the food the water and the medicine, backed by the people who own the worlds fossil fuels, why do you think its like that? so they have control, they really don't care about our opinions on alcohol and cigarettes, they just have to look like they care. A lot of the foods you buy have a more harmful physiological effect on the body than a lot of drugs you can buy, a HUGE range of products approved safe for us as laborers to build homes with, that you then live in, 5-10 years down the track prove to be built with poisonous and carcinogenic products, lots of people get sick and die and where is the government that allowed these things into our country in the first place? Nobody's taking responsibility for it, they just chuck statistics at us and say "your fault", "look how bad you are" or point the finger elsewhere. My point is, don't bicker between each other when EVERYONE is well aware that YES there are health issues behind the class of drugs we currently deem illegal, but that goes for PIES TOO, especially over extended periods. And don't be one of these pessimistic people who scream "society will break down because of this crazy guy and that crazy guy", if you do then we've already been defeated and we've just given the real enemy ammunition. There are some huge fundamental flaws in society that WE KNOW, just don't work and prohibition is one of these things. Something to be concerned about and these are trends all over the world - The company's that began to refine sugar more and more are owned by the same people that make insulin, are owned by the same people who own the large banks, are the same people who largely control and influence government, so not only do these people indirectly have degrees of control over our lives but they also effect the food we consume in order to make us use the medicine they produce, its actually disgusting, there's proof that these are the same people that Genetically Modify's food and disguises inoculations in previous history that purposefully sterilized huge amounts of south Americans. So even getting angry at the government is pointless, when they are basically just the middle men that have to take all the flack from society, then conveniently hide issues or cloud them in political agendas to confuse and distract us and control the mainstream media/ what we are fed and told. The world is well and truly buggered when you look at it on a large scale and its more or less due to a few giant american families who where around at the right time and took advantage of a particular time period in industry. Its really up to the next few generations to set a standard of equality and transparency in society and i believe its possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 well said livebearer_breeder. the power thing is spot on rite! its all about power and control. I may argue the last point, the world may currently be buggered and yes some American familys were in power at the rite time, but I think we are going threw a change of power age as we speak, europe is crumbeling there time is over, America is destroying them selves in two decades they will be nothing. The Asian nations are up and coming, they are beging to have the power and control. Serveral decades from now they will be the super powers of this world more so then what they already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I believe that as long as it's classed as a drug, it will be abused as a drug. In the Netherlands it's a common way to socialise and many families smoke cannabis in their own homes, much like a few glasses of wine after dinner. The intention isn't to "get high", trip over your own feet and clear the pantry of all it's worth, the idea is that it's a relaxing and social event. And in here's a pic of the German-equivenant to a Coca-Cola van at a public event; Berliner Pilsner was the drink of choice. There was one of these vans every hundred metres or so at this particular event, and despite this there wasn't a messy/aggressive/vomiting/passed out drunk to be seen. Do you really think decriminalisation of cannabis here will magically transform people into responsible social smokers? AND disagree with making alcohol companies keep the alcohol content of their drinks to a certain maximum amount. And rightly so. You cannot compare drinks simply based on ABV, you don't find carparks and streets littered with bottles of 8wired Imperial Stout (10%ABV) or Epic HopZombie (8.5%), yet you want to lump them in the same category as things like 8% Woodstocks that are made as cheap, sweet and strong as possible and packaged and sold with mass-consumption in mind. livebearer_breeder, I am well aware of the point you're making, I was certainly not trying to portray the government as some wonderful loving caregiver trying to protect us from the evil world outside. If anything its more to do with financial reasons, although by that logic they would have banned smoking a long time ago. There reasoning may not always be logical, my point was just that you cannot expect to have all the freedoms of a libertarian society with the protection and support of a socialist one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Berliner Pilsner was the drink of choice. There was one of these vans every hundred metres or so at this particular event, and despite this there wasn't a messy/aggressive/vomiting/passed out drunk to be seen. Do you really think decriminalisation of cannabis here will magically transform people into responsible social smokers? Of course they were well behaved, I have no idea what Berliner Pilsner is but I'm assuming it's not one of the RTDs hundreds of teens get smashed on every weekend? Change the drink, change the behaviour. And I don't think NZ is well behaved enough to become responsible social smokers just like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Of course they were well behaved, I have no idea what Berliner Pilsner is but I'm assuming it's not one of the RTDs hundreds of teens get smashed on every weekend? Change the drink, change the behaviour. And I don't think NZ is well behaved enough to become responsible social smokers just like that. Nice stereotype, teens drink beer, wine and spirits as well as RTD's. its not what they are drinking, it is how they are drinking. exactly what the adds say. there needs to be more education Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Cheap beer, cheap wine, cheap spirits. Of course teens will spend $20 on a box of cheap beer or $10 on a bottle of wine not $10 for a bottle of beer or $30 for a decent wine. The cheaper it is, the more they drink. I agree, it is how they're drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 People don't drink any alcoholic beverages because they are thirsty, they do it to get to a certain leval of smashed. New Zealanders seem to enjoy a higher leval of smashed than many other countries and it is basically tolerated. It is not socially accepptable in many other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 $20 gets you a good quality generic beer if you shop around. Also its not just teens doing it, a huge group of people do it in NZ. its just that the media pick on the teens/youth so its there problem not the country as a whole. In saying that breaking the cycle now will help future generations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 People don't drink any alcoholic beverages because they are thirsty, they do it to get to a certain leval of smashed. New Zealanders seem to enjoy a higher leval of smashed than many other countries and it is basically tolerated. It is not socially accepptable in many other countries. Why would you drink alcohol because you are thirsty? It has the opposit effect. I dont think its to get a certain level of smashed, I think its to get a certain level of socialising that is the origanal force, the smashed is a by product. negative or positive by product is up to the individual drinker and individual beliefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Of course they were well behaved, I have no idea what Berliner Pilsner is but I'm assuming it's not one of the RTDs hundreds of teens get smashed on every weekend? Change the drink, change the behaviour. And I don't think NZ is well behaved enough to become responsible social smokers just like that. Berliner Pilsner is a popular German beer (probably equivalent to our Steinlager, but actually worth drinking because it has some taste) and it certainly wasn't expensive, €3.50 for a glass with €0.50 refundable when you return the plastic cup. Germans (and probably a lot of Europe) has a far more mature approach to drinking than NZ, like you highlighted with the Netherlands and their 'cafes'. NZ's binging culture is why I am in favour of more restrictions on booze and other drugs, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 if teens bought weed instead of alcohol there would be a lot less problems. fact. it would probably boost fast food sales and decrease numbers in clubs. that's about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Dudes, i think its time to give up, this is just beginning to revolve around the same stuff without resolution (and i think increased confusion) the point was not to argue over beer and marijuana. I'm was making a statement for a very large void in current human society that needs to be addressed by us as a species in the coming century. p.s PILSNER is lovely! and how you drink and what you drink go together, they are not separate, its NOT just one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Dudes, i think its time to give up, this is just beginning to revolve around the same stuff without resolution (and i think increased confusion) the point was not to argue over beer and marijuana. I'm was making a statement for a very large void in current human society that needs to be addressed by us as a species in the coming century. p.s PILSNER is lovely! and how you drink and what you drink go together, they are not separate, its NOT just one or the other. yeah cuz there is no end to this argument. if you believe something yourself, you will always find a justification for it. it's the nature of being. for now, i'm gonna keep drinking my beer. unless someone local has something better........? PM 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 it would probably boost fast food sales and decrease numbers in clubs. that's about it.... And reduce violence and vomiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 And reduce violence and vomiting. I dunno, people get pretty cranky when there mac daddys is cold. :slfg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 If nothing else, this topic has been a very interesting look at the "shift" in understanding and intelligence levels of the general public, which should be a pretty good indicator that slowly things will start to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 if teens bought weed instead of alcohol there would be a lot less problems. fact. I think you need to google what the work "fact" means, or start producing some serious factual evidence (or did you just mean opinion?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 what makes you think this is a representative of the general public? since when are fish nerds normal?! :rotf: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think you need to google what the work "fact" means, or start producing some serious factual evidence (or did you just mean opinion?). nah man, i meant fact. prove me wrong if you like 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 since when are fish nerds normal?! :rotf: personally i really like how us fishie people come from all and any walks of life. it certainly makes for this forum a lot more interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 what makes you think this is a representative of the general public? since when are fish nerds normal?! :rotf: lol some of us arn't so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 nah man, i meant fact. prove me wrong if you like 8) a fact is technically some thing that has been proved right, without proof it is only a hypothesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 lol some of us arn't so bad ahh but some of us are.... 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 The proof is in the pudding as they say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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