Kim&Dan Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Okay the whole flushing debate, couldn't we say the same for people with diseases or infections etc through their bodily waste? SURELY the sewage works treats the waste in a way that kills anything and everything in there. I am not sure why but it is definitely not recommendable to flush fishes down the toilet. My guess is that human diseases, etc do not affect animals and other things in the eco-system around us - fish diseases, etc obviously do... Regarding the how-to-kill-fish question: A while ago this has been suggested by Alan and I've been using his method successfully (when I sadly had to ) ever since: 1. Take a sheet or two (or more depending on size) of kitchen roll. 2. Wrap the fish in it. 3. Step on the 'paper coffin' with your flat foot (ideally wearing shoes or similar). Can be repeated but the fish is usually dead after the first time - depends on size of the fish as well. 4. Dispose of the 'package' by throwing it in the rubbish bin. This method is bullet-proof if you don't have tiny feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Thats an Idea. USE A SHOTGUN at point blank range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 I bought one of the venturi water changes off trademe but never used it to empty the fish tank down the kitchen sink as that idea does not appeal to me. The idea for filling is good because you can blend hot and cold to get what you want. I found the plastic thread was very fine and did not last too long so I made up a unit for filling with metal bits from a water filter supplier. It works good. All water that is chlorinated will contain chloramines if it contains proteins, because the chlorine combines with the amines in the proteins before you can get free available chlorine. Only distilled water will be free of proteins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Wok, don't forget to take the fish out of the tank tho. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Oh yeah.. nearly forgot about that. that would make things a bit messy if I didn't :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 At least there would be no blood stains on the carpet. :roll: Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Insurance would replace the carpet due to damage by the water. I believe a win win situation :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim&Dan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Check your insurance policy first as not all will pay for damage as a result of aquarium water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Done that Caryl All covered with water damage from broken aquariums. Now I have strategically placed them around electrical equipment. :lol: Just Kidding :roll: now I have special note in my policy stating that I have aqariums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meesheelly Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 hey i asked about the chlorine problem and was told that chlorine is not immediately toxic and that adding the dechlorinater after is fine. dunno if this helps I cant use it anyway coz we dont have a mixer or a tap with thread on it, apart from the hose tap adn then i may as well just fill it with the hose. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venustus Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Fishboiu need to have the tap running just to get the water out of the tank. looks to me like a very water wasting way to do a water change [ur be using double the amount of water] but it sure would be handy. Actually, once you start the suction, you can turn the water off. I wouldn't trade mine for anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 To get chlorine out of the water then run the water through a shower head. As stated earlier chloramines needs to be removed by chemical means. So places like the gold coast here only has chlorine in the water yet in brisbane they have both. Check with your water supplier on what is in the water. hey i asked about the chlorine problem and was told that chlorine is not immediately toxic and that adding the dechlorinater after is fine. May I ask who told you that? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 I have been told NZ water supplies do not have chloramines added but some do have chlorine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 As I mentioned earlier virtually all drinking water will contain proteins as they are present in bacteria, plant matter and other organic matter present in water. Unless you live in Israel and drink distilled water there will be proteins in your water. Proteins contain amino acids which react with chlorine to form monochloramine then more chlorine to form dichloramine, then more chlorine to form trichloramine. When all the amines and other chemicals that are present have reacted with the chlorine you can get free available chlorine (chlorine gas reacting with water to form hypochlorus acid.) So unless you have water completely free of protein (which is very unlikely) you will have chloramines in a chlorinated water supply. Monochloramine is what iritates your eyes in a swimming pool and can be fixed by adding more chlorine until you have only trichloramine which is less irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Alan if your correct why is that we dont have chloramine in Gold Coast water supply but we have Chlorine If you like i have added a link where you might be able to work out that its not a combination of Chlorine and protein to make Chloramine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine Now this has been pointed out to you before please take the time to at least have a read Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 I think you may be missing the point. What I was pointing out was that chloramine can be added to the water supply as a disinfectant and that site describes a way that it can be made from ammonia and HTH (80% free available chlorine) before being added to the water supply. My point is that chlorine can also be added to the water supply as a disinfectant. It is a very strong oxidizing agent and will react with the amino acids in the water to form chloramines. It will also react with other compounds of nitrogen to form chloramines. The more that chlorine is added the more the balance will move towards the trichloramines. Your water supply may not have chloramines added directly for treatment but they will be formed because of the reaction of chlorine with organic matter. Some places prefer to use monochloramine because of some of the other componds formed from using chlorine. Hence my comment that chlorinated water supplies will contain chloramines. There endeth the lesson for today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Alan I believe your missing the point I know that can add either Chlorine or Chloramine at the water treatment plant What im saying is that the water straight out of my tap does not contain Chloramine yet contains Chlorine Is my water special because its different to what you believe is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 It must bebecause it contains no organic material (which is very unusual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 I must agree that it would be very unusual not to have organic material in the water. But all the research i have done into Chlorine and Chloramine has lead me to believe that Chloramine is a combination of Chlorine and Ammonia. This was done awhile ago as I wanted to give my customers the best advice I could find, and when i dont know know i will research it. Can you show me where you found your information about Chloramines please? Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 I found it during my training as an Environmental Health Officer and years of inspecting water supplies and swimming pools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Fair enough then I guess my research might be alittle more lowkey Generally using the net and books I know what your thinking about the internet and useful information Maybe you can explain to me why you can test for Chloramines with an Ammonia test kit? Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsarmina Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 hey guys, would it be better to discuss this in it's own thread? that way we can all get back to the original reason for this thread. i have heard, though never have done it myself, it a quick dip into a pot of boiling water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Sorry, I have no idea how those tests work, but I would think they use a reagent that reacts with both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETEYPLECO Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 On the subject of flushing sick fish, I know this guy who works at the poo ponds in Albany who swears the ponds are full of enormous mutant mixbreed fish ! Seriously tho flushing is okay once the fish is dead, please make it quick and painless, as you would like it. We are all creatures after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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