ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 and one of my current tanks i hope you like them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 you will prob need to insulate that. very thin in summer during hot days, its fine. it willhelp heat tanks, but could over heat it. winter, cold will leech in rapidly but awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 you will prob need to insulate that. very thin in summer during hot days, its fine. it willhelp heat tanks, but could over heat it. winter, cold will leech in rapidly but awesome! thanks! im running a thread about that at the moment viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60950 im trying to decide if i went to 25mm polly (s) might be too thin or not i don't have the money to spend a massive amount on it in the beginning if i wait till i have the money for 50mm it could never get finished! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstar99 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 25mm poly probably will be too thin but it will help keep the drafts out. As an idea 60mm poly gives you roughly just over half the insulation of batts if you can create an air gap behind it. Maybe you caould stick 25mm poly directly to the shed and then a batten (timber or poly) and then another layer of 25mm poly. Depending on what your requirment for a finished surface are. Poly wont really stand up to being scrubed or washed down. So you might then need a finishing liner of this. The walls will sweat so you wont be able to put batts straight against the wall. The roof will definitely condensate particularly in winter and frosty mornings. So if you line the ceiling you will have to make sure the water has some where to run off to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 I would suggest that you go to MPI, your local council and drainage authority and tell them exactly what you have done and what you intend to do before you go any further then find out that you have done it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 25mm poly probably will be too thin but it will help keep the drafts out. As an idea 60mm poly gives you roughly just over half the insulation of batts if you can create an air gap behind it. Maybe you caould stick 25mm poly directly to the shed and then a batten (timber or poly) and then another layer of 25mm poly. Depending on what your requirment for a finished surface are. Poly wont really stand up to being scrubed or washed down. So you might then need a finishing liner of this. The walls will sweat so you wont be able to put batts straight against the wall. The roof will definitely condensate particularly in winter and frosty mornings. So if you line the ceiling you will have to make sure the water has some where to run off to. that's a really good idea do you think the 25 then gap then 25 would be better than just a 50mm poly? also i didn't think about where it would run off too also if i stick the poly directly to the wall will it still sweat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Ive got 25 mm poly in my shed but it becomes marked arfter a while so i suggest covering it with a thin sheet of ply ie 3 mm, but yeah probly go to 50 mm and line it otherwise it gets messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Is it going to sit on a concrete slab at its final destination? This is giving me ideas of building my own shed in the back yard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 nice, is this your planned quarantine setup??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 nice, is this your planned quarantine setup??? yip this is the quarantine setup only one shed will be tho the other will just be breeding and that is its final destination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Did you insulate the concrete slab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Did you insulate the concrete slab? very good question and no i didn't if i could have afforded it i would have so in the long run ill put down flooring and insulate that, its one of those things im just going to have to live with i plan on moving within the next 2 years so for that time it has kinda made it unethical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zayne Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 How many tanks do you expect to fit in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstar99 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 25mm poly probably will be too thin but it will help keep the drafts out. As an idea 60mm poly gives you roughly just over half the insulation of batts if you can create an air gap behind it. Maybe you caould stick 25mm poly directly to the shed and then a batten (timber or poly) and then another layer of 25mm poly. Depending on what your requirment for a finished surface are. Poly wont really stand up to being scrubed or washed down. So you might then need a finishing liner of this. The walls will sweat so you wont be able to put batts straight against the wall. The roof will definitely condensate particularly in winter and frosty mornings. So if you line the ceiling you will have to make sure the water has some where to run off to. that's a really good idea do you think the 25 then gap then 25 would be better than just a 50mm poly? also i didn't think about where it would run off too also if i stick the poly directly to the wall will it still sweat? I think so. Ideally you need that "stilll" air gap so using 2 layers of 25 will give your that. THe walls will be ok as any condensation between the two shoud escape down in the profile. Not sure about the roof. Either a flashing from the poly that would direct the water away off the poly or maybe remove the roof and install a roofing paper or foil that takes the condensation out over the back wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Not to rain on ur parade but not sure this will pass muster.. no separate ante room with own water supply and drain seams look like can hold water as does wooden base can't see a contained water treatment area where will u mix chemicals store food and ppe ? Where will ur freezer and decanting area going to be where will u disperse treated water and your breeding area might be a bit close to ur containment area.... Or maybe its all good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 nice, is this your planned quarantine setup??? Hi, to behonest i think you will have to get a resource consent for this!!! something about business activity within 30mtr of residentail. what about hand basin area? your septic tank for treatment? in a small area, i guess you will have tank closely to each other! how you going to dealt with splashing water frome each individual tank? spilling containate water!! how are you going to prevent it from running intoo the garden! :facepalm: alot of things to taken into account man,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Not to rain on ur parade but not sure this will pass muster.. no separate ante room with own water supply and drain seams look like can hold water as does wooden base can't see a contained water treatment area where will u mix chemicals store food and ppe ? Where will ur freezer and decanting area going to be where will u disperse treated water and your breeding area might be a bit close to ur containment area.... Or maybe its all good? you beat me to the post :sml2: on the spot :thup: i think you need to do some more research Ilwis, after all you are dealing with maf/Pmi they are worse then drug search officer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 yip this is the quarantine setup only one shed will be tho the other will just be breeding That will never be approved as a quarantine facility. its a tin shed. i would read the standard , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 hhmmm.. going back to the back row of the bench!! Jaxxnz might have to give it a go with the quarantine setup if no importer/ quarantine facility are willing to help out with speacial request order!! given to that i did get a email from a importer willing to help import! dont really know when he will replied with quotes!! :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilwis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 you beat me to the post :sml2: on the spot :thup: i think you need to do some more research Ilwis, after all you are dealing with maf/Pmi they are worse then drug search officer!! i will be going back to MAF and asking a few questions but when i spoke to them i told them its a tin shed and they were happy with it and ive worked out there is enough room in there for all that and im not too worried about water splash from tank to tank ill have dividers up for that mixed chems can be done inside (if needed tho i don't intend on mixing any chems) freezer doesn't need to be big and treated water is delt with through the use of UV pass through filters so plenty of room and ppe can still go inside if not it wont be hard to put a 1mte by 1mtr shed in front of the door for a ante room and they seem happy so far with what Ive got oh i will also get the permit for bis in residential and quarantine in residential the breeding area shouldn't be a problem for location to the quarantine as they said most places have breeding rooms in the next room to there quarantine rooms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 just remember MAF are the people that asked a certain (no longer here) petstore what sort of risk Tropical Marine Corals would pose to the local Freshwater streams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It might be a bit of a struggle getting a hot water supply, sink, wash hand basin and locker for clothing into a 1 square metre ante room. Once again, I suggest you go to the people making the decisions and get their actual requirments before you go any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 and make sure they OK everything through a higher power ime they will say anything to keep you happy until it comes to final certification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Well, top marks for optimism! I really hope this works out for you. If you end up taking orders I think you will have a lot of interest from some people on this forum including myself :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Well, top marks for optimism! I really hope this works out for you. If you end up taking orders I think you will have a lot of interest from some people on this forum including myself :thup: Keep smiling and stay positive :thup: Once again, I suggest you go to the people making the decisions and get their actual requirments before you go any further. Don't read this as negativity. We are trying to make sure that you don't pour money into the project, only to find out that you need to go back and do it again, which can be quite disheartening. We want you to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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