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Unfortunately new species will never be added, thr process cost money and it's not a priority for bio security. Even if something is in nz you have to go threw the approval process.

Try shops on aussie

I Think the last time someone imported plants was about 10 years ago.

Will never be allowed to be imported in our lifetime, :sml1: :sml1:

You have to go to EPA to approve new organism just like fish, then once they approve it then MPI do a disease risk. Nice to get it approved, however unlikely plants will ever be imported.

just leave it alone, might go away,

Try trade me, see some stunning discus for sale.

Here's front pic. not the best

Fungia coral

Tank test results today for Nyos test kits and Salifert test kits po4 . zero nitrate . zero Magnesium 1400 calcium 420 KH 8 potassium 400 Added a copperband and white tail tang, had them in QT for 12 weeks before adding to tank. All looking good. Not doing much to the tank, just add daily Nyos amino acids & coral foods.

Over and out, good luck with your submissions. will leave it with experts like you to sort it.

There is no proposed extended quarantine. They are not. i noted that in other post, i import fish and deal with MPI vets.

. put that in your submission to lengthen the quarantine. would really be helpful. Like i said we could debate this forever. fish imported also depend whether they make contact with certain other fish. the ocean is far away from most tanks. And to add in the perfect world quarantine would be longer , but it comes down to practicality and cost, i think most would cry if they had to pay $50 for guppy.

MPI vets check fish, but that is not what they are qualified to do, they mainly check horses/ cats/dogs/sheep etc. fish is the least thing they do.

what rubbish, what has that got to do with court? just because they are vets does not qualify them to be experts on fish. compared to a person that has fish for 20 years and has work experience with fish disease daily. not sure it's confidential , how is your going.

We could spend years debating the length of Quarantine, but i would start to look at the ships ballast water that gets dumped in our oceans, how is that quarantined. how are humans quarantined when they arrive in NZ?? evidence is i deal with them.

For those that are talking a interest in what is going on and take all my information/data as credible i would put a submission based on the following. 1/ Whilst vets are checking fish and is the choice of bio security to use vets it is not a necessity to use that expensive channel. As a Business this is not be cost effective and serves no value and adds additional cost to importers and end users. The tropical fish area is very specialized and Vets do not have the qualifications to inspect fish. Currently fish are checked for numbers/species and looses verified when in transitional facility .Much of the cost is paper work and checking and the hours required by vets can range from 5 to 8 hours a month, Any proposed fee increases will substantially increase the price of the fish. Vets can't make decisions and all decisions are referred to wellington before fish are released from Quarantine. So to get importers to pay a reasonable cost we propose that the fish transitional facilities are charged at the standard mpi proposed rate of $102/hr as the current practice to get fish checked by VETS is not cost effective and unnecessary. I also believe that overseas fish are not checked by VETS in general and they don't have onerous 3/4 week quarantine period which could be deemed cruel to fish as being crowded for so long can be very stressful. example how the Hr rate will increase fee, Fish checking fee so say currently is 8 hours a month. so 8 x $88, /hr = $704 plus gst, proposed will be 105% increase. so $1443 per month. will add more, but how does that sound. Please use your own words when making a submission than copying my summary, Also what i may do if i can is get my submission signed by hobbyist/stores to say that they agree with my submission.

Given proposed mileage is based on hourly rate, being close to MPI will reduce mileage . instead of say 3 hr travel a month it might only be 30mins month, difference would be $500 in costings.

obviously they going to be different that was stated , however not by much you would think unless they are next to MPI. Its not like there are many importers, 8 in total. 4 freshwater and 4 marine. 4 large and 4 minor

well then why are my figures incorrect as you have stated? is that confidential

seriously? no one is asking it to word for word. all the submissions made to mpi will be able to be viewed any way.

They have been already briefed on the mpi proposals. It has been left for them to make their own submission based on supplied facts from the main importers. This forum was set up so Hobbyist can make own submission based on true facts, its pointless to cover anything else other than what is on this forum as it will get lost in translation by MPI, so if we all come from the same angle , it will make the message clear.

Well reading this forum the tone hardly shows positively to commercial traders. seems to be a crime. I for one have shared more info than any importer would and also bought this to the attention of all. most would have been unaware of the MPI fee proposals. Also i think you have all the information on the forum. So in turn i would have thought most would have taken the time to understand the commutations and permutations on what price increases will do. Would it not be a good idea to share this?? makes sense so that everyone is on the same page and that the information is correct.

commercial or hobbyist does not matter. Unsure why you are anti commercial traders especially when we are trying to help the end users. With no commercial imports you won't have a hobby and all fee increases can be passed on, so why should a commercial operator care. But some of us do care as we are hobbyist and do see that the end prices for the hobby is getting out of control, just look at overseas, our pricing is getting really high. This has got nothing to do with commercial interests at all, its about the hobby and how this will effect it going forward. And we wonder why the hobby is in the state it is when people don't work together. Hobbyist /commercial interest need to be united so things get done for the good of the hobby, i do concur that shops/importers also need to make submissions, but like many some just don't care, they just sit back and let the few do all the work. I think we need to get in the real world and take this seriously as the end users will be paying far more for fish and once the prices go up they never come down.

6 days to go to close date. alanmin4304 hows the figures coming on? need to check them to make sure we are on the right track.