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fishie ironically has gone to sleep with the fishies :ske: :fshi:

yea I'm thinking the same thing but i would like to give him the chance, tho I'm hoping he does survive but not expecting him too if he shows signs of getting worse that compost heap hole will get a fish shaped hole filled in :ske:

how big are these ones anyway?

mine I've had in ph's from 8.2 all the way down to 6.8 and always been looking as bright as these ones tho the blue face is a bit darker on mine and the yellow is like a metallic gold, tho it could just be your camera steeling some of the colour? yours have a bit more red on the belly that mine don't tho i might try take a photo...

oh my goodness if i had one of those or the parts for it i would so be doing that "Update" he survived the night upside down, he is resting next to the sponge filter and some (very little) of his boy-ency problem is solved still tending to be upside down tho, due to it being a sideways tendency to flip now (rather than tail over head) i managed to rest him next to the filter with the filter assisting in keeping him upright the damaged scales are standing upright and whiteish bubbles have formed over injury's (I'm assuming its like a fish scab?) he is still aware tho not moving anything other than side fins and gills, mouth, eyes so i think he is just a bit worn out from a hard night

hey all one of my cichlids has grown a bit too big to fit through a hole in a castle he lives by and so my plecos decided he would make a nice meal, unfortunately for them i went to feed my fish and found him thinking he is dead, low and behold he is a fighter and when i moved him out of the hole tried to swim away upside down only using his side fins so symptoms are currently upside down tho attempting to make it right sometimes, body is rigid, anal fins are flat to body, missing a number of scales (about 35-40%), redness around dorsal fin, fraying of all fins on the plus side seems very alert, trying to right himself, all injury's i see are superficial to body and fins i have quarantined him in a tank with tonic to protect him from any infection but Ive never had a fish survive once he is upside down so any help?

quick google search said 6.7-8 for these fish (http://diszhal.info/english/cichlids/en ... uensis.php) but frontosas are between 7.8-9 (wikipidea) so little bit of over lap... and i have seen them in a african cichlid tank before (mine they were sold to me at the high ph but then i read up about them so changed them down because i could)

lol yea they didn't move much :dunno: :rolfl:

oh mine are old enough about 15-20 cm prob about 2yo (at a guess) they were large when i got them they haven't grown much since I've had them if at all

2 years! maybe that's my problem mine are only together for 7 months or so

I'm selling 2 of them I tried to breed them but they didn't pair, apparently they are hard to pair and use a lot of space to spawn they are such beautiful fish ill give them another go one day but its the deal of buy 6 when a pair form sell the other 4

omg :facepalm: go to mitre 10 buy the tube of sealant (aquarium safe) its about $20 get a paint scraper or sharp knife scrape off all the silicone you can see on all the joins for that pane of glass pull off the pane of glass put silicone on the joins after cleaning it with a least a rag to insure all old silicone is off place the bit of glass on the silicone you have put on the joins insure there are no bubbles or thin spots (you will see them when you look through the glass at the joint) put a book on it to apply pressure to it while it cures wipe excess silicone off with your finger insure there is a bit extra silicone where old silicone meets new silicone in corners leave it like that till next day come back cut a nice line where there is spread of silicone on the glass too far from the area you have siliconed with a craft knife scrape that extra silicone you got all over the place off with the pain scraper let it cure for another 6 days or how long it says on the tube (usually 7 days) and its done! its not hard in the slightest and all you could lose is $20 and a couple of days any problems pm me ill give you my number and you can call me

totally agree the point of my post was about the temperature for rock pool fishes may be a topic of interest from a tank example and no im not saying not to be sensible about it i would never have it anywhere near sunlight for example i don't indorse curtly in any way and best to make the fish as happy and comfortable as possible but its best to remember how we look after our tanks is a guideline.. a very good guide but not the only way example of this is water from the ocean vs tap water with some marine salt and all the other additives to make it like the sea water from the ocean can contain many different harmful things to the fish (worms desiese etc) but contains many minerals bacterias and good stuff (the taste of the ocean) vs water from the tap treated to remove chlorine (or make inert) the taste of copper, pvc, the local possim's muddy foot who went for a swim in the dam to clean between his toes, then all the additives to remove or add elements and marine salt, to us it all tastes salty but to a fish im sure they can taste the current im not saying either way is better than the other (tho i would go for the tap water myself) not everyone can go to the beach and pick up 200L of ocean most people who want to set up a local tank look at it as the fish is right there for free i don't want to (or can't) afford all these skimmers, chillers, heaters, filters, living rocks, salts, test kits, uv lights, special spectrum lights etc basically all the things for a tropical marine tank but making it colder for our fish (btw that's what ideally you would need so please be aware of that) overall im saying make the fish as happy as you can the best way you can but there is more than one way to keep a fishes house free of dirty dishes if you cant keep them in a way the water will be stable and healthy for the fish don't do it after all kelly taltins takes their water from the sea...

when i was much much younger (like 10?) i may have had a tank i kept shrimp, flounder, crabs, baby rock cod, black snapper fry, sea slugs(really cool shoots ink if you poke it!), kinna, few types of starfish, a few other things i found at the beach just had a little filter in it and a air stone did a water changer of about 50% from the sea each week and i kept that for the summer in winter i got bored and let them all go then did the same the next year a had some sprats in one year and a black mau-mau too (that was super cool biggest fish i ever owned must of been about 10 cm) anyway my point it i never had a problem and i lost only 1 fish (crab got it) all the fish seemed to love mince and whatever was for my dinner if you keep to the fish and no ammonites and pick your plants shouldn't have a problem (tho i don't know if you want to get a chilli bin of water from the beach or not) also now I'm a bit older I've found out some of those fish are not really recommended (by law) to take from the sea (something to do with undersize?) but i let them go (also apparently not recommended?) so just pick your fish wisely oh and Walkworth is quite a warm place and rock pools can get quite warm during the day please don't shoot me for any of the things i may have done here i was only little and didn't know that it was wrong i wouldn't do it again id pick my fish also turns out it apparently is a mission and takes a long time to cycle a cold water salt water tank (like 6 months) tho like i always say water changes are good please note this is a i may have done this scenario it could be totally fabricated so cant be used in a court of law as any kinda factual events