blueether Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 This topic comes up every month or so for the 10ish years I've been reading the board. I can't think of anyone that has actually gone through with it. Maybe Reef. That'd be about it. did raeh1 set one up last year then had to sell because of other commitments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I just don't like working with other people...............................................Just sayin 8) You dont need to set up your own. a few QT facilities here will do it for you for the right price, and if they know you are the real deal... meaning, you will come with the goods (cash is king) and front up. but you gotta source your own stuff generally speaking. It is easy for me, arowanas, easy to source! I thought about a 'group buy' on here. but one, its against the rules. but even if its not.... i would demand a 50% non refundable deposit - in saying that, all farms i have dealt with including the one that i am going to buy from guarantee live frish on arrival. Upon death of a fish, they want a picture of the fish cut in half and the chip sent back with the cert. full refund will then be given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 i would demand a 50% non refundable deposit - in saying that, all farms i have dealt with including the one that i am going to buy from guarantee live frish on arrival. Upon death of a fish, they want a picture of the fish cut in half and the chip sent back with the cert. full refund will then be given. Thats pretty dam good of them. I like they way they protect themselves and the investor in that deal, very smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Thats pretty dam good of them. I like they way they protect themselves and the investor in that deal, very smart LIke any business, one started to guarantee it. and everyone did. One place told me, they wont ship less than 50 fish! they produce more than 2000 Golden crossback alone, he said that they have their shipping so nicely perfected that he is surprised to get a few a year come back dead. It is not worth the argument lol apparently, they icepack the water during shipment and the fish goes to sleep. they ship from singapore all the way to canada, europe, south frica, dubai! anyway, tangent. but yeah, just an aside :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 What qualifications do you have Jaxxnz? what experience in importing do you have? fish diseases? its not like looking after your fish tank, totally different ball game. Expect big losses , maybe 50%. if so you will have to get fish tested to see if you have a virus. its not free to get them tested. Its like being a doctor with out getting the qualifications. its pretty damaging to the industry as the failures have caused more red tape for existing importers. All new importers have failed so far? so how will you be any different? We had some new importer illegally bring in goldfish a few years ago. a result of that is that everything cost more as we have far more red tape to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 All new importers have failed so far? so how will you be any different? I guess it would depend how you define fail, from what I gather Jack is looking to do this for love not money, so profitibility isn't really an issue. Cost and affordability of fish would be big factors though. I would really like to know what is involved in setting up a facility, have often dreamed the dream but never looked into it seriously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 fail could be lack of cashflow, unable to meet MAF audits and standards, Unable to look after fish as it is not easy. Its hard labour when the novelty wears off. Any fail with MAF is a pain as it effect all the hobby. everything has got harder since so many have failed. you can do it for love, but you still need to make money to pay for the shipments that you big losses, The power bill does not go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaxxnz Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Cost and affordability of fish would be big factors though. I would really like to know what is involved in setting up a facility, have often dreamed the dream but never looked into it seriously... David I wish you were still kicking in East side" difinitely a good helper!! Any Way this is my expression of interest", to be real honest i dont think my self as a real dreamer as most think!! If iam more and more confidence in some thing then its difinitely give it a go ahead.. :mbh: As i said I will put my expense toward the setup cost for quarantine, So far I only got (1) :smln: member interested to help me out!! I mean, if people here talking about how much they love to get in different fish from the retail shop.. why dont they join me and start to form a group and actually start doing the walking instead of all the talk!! Ps: Henward was saying something about paper work cost of $400 per unlisted specie To me that is a cheap price to pay for paper work to get some ray or other diffierent species into the NZ, and is understandable that Importer are not willing to throw in that cost just to make 10 people happy with other importer seeking out for that advantage. $400!! and we have 5,000 members of fish lover in here, bring it down to 50% of that membership, I sure we can all spare $20 p.a to donate into a so call rescues Unlisted Species" expl: $20x2000 members= $40k $40k /$40 per specie= 1,000 species of course sound easy but at least 100 species for that donated cash would be :nilly: :nilly: regards to all paper work and the maf/ MPI , we just need voluntary person to lodge application, if there something is not clear they could smack it down into the forum and iam sure most of you would love to get down for advise and solving problem it right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 fail could be lack of cashflow, unable to meet MAF audits and standards, Unable to look after fish as it is not easy. Its hard labour when the novelty wears off. Any fail with MAF is a pain as it effect all the hobby. everything has got harder since so many have failed. you can do it for love, but you still need to make money to pay for the shipments that you big losses, The power bill does not go away. Why not start a request fish list for members here willing to pay for cost? i know its sound simple, but that what we want and need from you importer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 could do it all in a shipping container Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Jaxxnz you are talking about three different things here: 1. You setting up a quarantine facility so you/we can import fish 2. Getting new species of fish added to allow list 3. How to make special orders from an already established importer Which one is it you want to talk about here? For once I actually agree with Jaxxnz on one of his suggestions. That the federation should lead the way and pay for new species to be added to the allow list. That could either be funded by membership fees or donations as jaxxnz sort of suggested. If the federation really wants to do something to stimulate this hobby in NZ then I see few better ways than to try and get some never before seen species into the country. There was a post from Jennifer a long time ago that the federation is working on this but I have yet to hear any news on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 For once I actually agree with Jaxxnz on one of his suggestions. That the federation should lead the way and pay for new species to be added to the allow list. That could either be funded by membership fees or donations as jaxxnz sort of suggested. Seems no much has happened since 2010 http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49422 I agree adding new species in a priority and has been for the last 5 years. the longer nothing happens the worse it will get, already it is hard to get species that used to be common and easy to get. The problem you have is that MAF don't want to add fish, basically they want to restrict the trade so hence the reason it is hard to add more fish to the current allowable list. Adding fish is not a priority for MAF and normally takes over 2-5 years to add new fish. The pain i had to endure to add fish was unbelievable, got to the point that i had to ring them weekly so that they would not forget. Basically the aquarium trade adds no value to the country and we have no voice, however if you have the bucks/voice like the aquaculture trade then it is easier to get things done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Stay tuned for some exciting times to come! Oh yeah what riveting two years it's been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 For once I actually agree with Jaxxnz on one of his suggestions. That the federation should lead the way and pay for new species to be added to the allow list. That could either be funded by membership fees or donations as jaxxnz sort of suggested. If the federation really wants to do something to stimulate this hobby in NZ then I see few better ways than to try and get some never before seen species into the country. There was a post from Jennifer a long time ago that the federation is working on this but I have yet to hear any news on that. I would def join the fed for this. Even if they put the fees up alittle? I'm sure more people would join as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Why not start a request fish list for members here willing to pay for cost? i know its sound simple, but that what we want and need from you importer!! Why not make up a list of fish species and send it to your local stores and hopefully they will pass the request to the freshwater importers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Let me remind you of the following rules: Prospecting: No posts are to be made with the intention of forming a bulk purchase or import by invitation to meet a minimum order quantity. The FNZAS Fishroom or website is not to be used in any way for any individual or business to prospect customers or form a buying group. This is also extended to other websites using this site to contact our members with the intention of prospecting new members. What you do privately is your own business. These rules were put in place because the issue has gone sour in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Basically the aquarium trade adds no value to the country and we have no voice, however if you have the bucks/voice like the aquaculture trade then it is easier to get things done. So, there is nothing here marine/fresh water wise to trade overseas? I recall we once did have a sea horse exporting business in Napier but that went pot belly up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 So, there is nothing here marine/fresh water wise to trade overseas? I recall we once did have a sea horse exporting business in Napier but that went pot belly up. Giant kokopu have been exported to Canada(I think) and Europe to test the market. I have seen reference to wanting to test torrentfish and redfin bullies as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Jaxxnz you are talking about three different things here: 1. You setting up a quarantine facility so you/we can import fish 2. Getting new species of fish added to allow list 3. How to make special orders from an already established importer Which one is it you want to talk about here?quote] 1)trying to get people helping Setting up a quarantine is my main target for now... 2)getting new species to added list is my recommend suggestion to many fish lover here to do something about it!! Reef was discribing taking 2years to get one specie of fish to be aproved to on the list! really???? what! authority took along holiday?? I would expect a good 6-12month max!! (of course if you're going to be on their case daily to weekly) :sml2: 3) making speacial order from established importer!! well for sure that didnt happen much! if the established importer were keen to do business and to be helpful, then all the cowboy and Indian shouldnt have to try to go into setting up their own quarantine!! So what do you want to do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Giant kokopu have been exported to Canada(I think) and Europe to test the market. I have seen reference to wanting to test torrentfish and redfin bullies as well. for food or for the aquarium market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 for food or for the aquarium market? aquarium trade http://www.nzaquaculture.co.nz/AC21.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 hopefully they will pass the request to the freshwater importers. Iam not the only here who just wondering if the local petshop did pass it on!! You speacialise in marine only? If you also doing freshwater, then i suggestion to you is put up a thread asking what members Xmas wish list" :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 Where is the federation supposed to get the money to fund adding new fish to the import list? We are a group of hobbyists, many on benefits or retired. We charge $10 capitation per year and people complain that is too much. Where do we get the $$$ to apply for new fish? :dunno: People are all for saying "I'd be willing to pay for that" but when it comes to actually putting their money where their mouth is - no dice. On one occasion when someone actually went to the trouble of importing specific fish which were on the allowable list, after gathering money from others to do so, it all went pearshaped and there is still an outstanding warrant from small claims court. Some were out of pocket several thousand dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 hence the rule about not organising on here, the main problem is that if you set up an importing setup you are the one responsible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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