alanmin4304 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Beware of a government that encourages you to salute the flag and sing the national anthem---they are probably thinking of sending your kids to war. The only reason we are kiwis (some of us) is that this is where our mother was when she gave birth. If she had been in Sri Lanka we would be Sri Lankans. The only reason we are pakeha, maori, chinese or whatever is the genes of our parents. It all had nothing to do with us so what is there to be proud or ashamed of. It is a bit like saying " I am so very proud of having browm eyes." And to get back off the subject---if you want bad roads come to Christchurch, and we have already sent the invoice to Auckland cos thats where the money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 And how would you fix this? :slfg: Simple a box at the bottom of the screen with someone signing the anthem, or even the words written at the bottom. Beware of a government that encourages you to salute the flag and sing the national anthem When has ours encouraged this? The only reason we are kiwis (some of us) is that this is where our mother was when she gave birth. Are you forgeting the immigrints who have adopted this country as there onw and refer to themseves as New Zealanders? The only reason we are pakeha, maori, chinese or whatever is the genes of our parents. It also has something to do with what you belive in, your upbrining and your culture. there is plenty of white folk that refer to themselves at Maori without any Maori blood in them, same as there is plenty of Maori with very little blood from other gene pools in them that classify themselves not as Maori but with white heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I accept all that. What I am saying is what right do you have to be proud or ashamed if you had nothing to do with it. I am not in to uniforms, flags or anthems. Why not be proud or ashamed of things you had something to do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 you have all the right that you want, its your personal decision after all and short of paying taxes, eating, drinking and breathing there is nothing else that you have to do no matter who tells you diffrent. I beleive the past is the past and its there for a reason, but i think the feelings or proud and ashamed come from present and future circumstances and situation not previous ones. All be it I do see where you are coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 When has ours encouraged this? We had to in primary school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I hold a different view. To me, anthems, uniforms, patches, bibles etc are all poor substitutes for individual thinking. They have their roots in pre-scientific communities as forms of mind control. Without them, no one would be chucking unwanted pets on the rubbish heap, and we'd have world peace PS: You're not in primary school now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I got hit on the head with a torch by an usherette in the picture theatre for not standing up for God save the queen---not in to royalty from an early age as well. I was threatened with 7 years in Ardmore military prison (as it was then) for refusing to sign alegience to the royal family during my wee stint at CMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Without them, no one would be chucking unwanted pets on the rubbish heap, and we'd have world peace yeah right we are talking human beings here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I got hit on the head with a torch by an usherette in the picture theatre for not standing up for God save the queen---not in to royalty from an early age as well. I was threatened with 7 years in Ardmore military prison (as it was then) for refusing to sign alegience to the royal family during my wee stint at CMT. We had to in primary school I was more refering to this millenium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I got hit on the head with a torch by an usherette in the picture theatre for not standing up for God save the queen---not in to royalty from an early age as well. I was threatened with 7 years in Ardmore military prison (as it was then) for refusing to sign alegience to the royal family during my wee stint at CMT. Hehe. I sat in the back row at the Saturday matinees ( pre-TV era ), and so no one could complain if I didn't stand for the anthem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 yeah right we are talking human beings here Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. ~Bertrand Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I was more refering to this millenium im only 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 I never had to from my memory, you are only a year older then me. In saying that you would of had the option of not singing but what child has enough power to say no to a teacher. That and you have the choice of what school you go to, or even go to school so if your parents were not happy with that they could of removed you from that school where you wouldnt have to sing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. ~Bertrand Russell still talking humans Patriotism is a devotion to one's country the killing depends on the ethics of the patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Yet the region consumes over 15% of NZ electricity production ... And the problem with that is? It gets paid for so I don't know why this is important? Also that is just Tiwai, not the whole of Southland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 And the problem with that is? It gets paid for so I don't know why this is important? Also that is just Tiwai, not the whole of Southland. If Tiwai is part of Southland, then the whole of Southland consumes more than 15% of NZ electricity production. But the region is only producing 5% of GDP. Perhaps if Tiwai didn't get such cheap power, cheaper power could be used by Auckland to boost productivity, and the increased profits could then fund the upgrades to roading in Southland. (j/k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 :slfg: If only it worked that way Graham, doesn't look like Tiwai will be around much longer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Simple a box at the bottom of the screen with someone signing the anthem, or even the words written at the bottom. Then you're discriminating against the blind (if they happen to be deaf as well). It's a simple case of knowing where you draw the line. We write all our directions, signs, etc in English. Writing them all in three languages would just be messy. Patriotism is a devotion to one's country the killing depends on the ethics of the patriot/agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I have friends and sympathy for deaf people but I am a bit prejudiced about brail on roadsigns so blind people can drive easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I have friends and sympathy for deaf people but I am a bit prejudiced about brail on roadsigns so blind people can drive easier. That's why they put in the plastic alerts in the side of the road. The ones that go tick tick tick tick against your tyres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 That's why they put in the plastic alerts in the side of the road. The ones that go tick tick tick tick against your tyres. I thought they were there to wake you up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I thought that was for people driving blind drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Fascinating thread! Bit of a summary of what has been discussed thus far: - Disposal of live unwanted fish - Animal cruelty regarding fish we eat - NZ Roads - country wide - Languages of NZ - Turning NZ into three states - What is a NZer? - National anthems, flags, patriotism - Southlands GDP versus power used and population present. I may have missed some Mods.... no need to move this thread, it is definatley in the right place... off topic is perfect :slfg: So my contribution to keep it all going... If you make NZ three states.... South Island, North Island, and Auckland... what do you do with Northland? :digH: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Move there and take up gardening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 :slfg: Make it part of Auckland of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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