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Looks like a Aulonocara stuartgranti "Chipoka" to me. Frenchy

pass. Any chance of a side on pic, at same level of the fish. Frenchy

Very nice looking tank set up. Frenchy

Oh come on Brad, I try to use tack, :lol: Last time I went to a shop by where I live, owned by an Asian fella. Brad will know. I saw the labels, saw the fish. :-? I asked the main guy there, what is this fish here. He goes Taiwan reef. I go oh, I didn't realise they get the horizontal bar running along the body. The reply was, one of my staff breed these, he know what he is doing. I said oh, I could be wrong here, may I suggest the next time you are at home take a look at Red Empress & Taiwan Reef, on a computer or book & see the difference for yourself. He go no, no you are wrong, the father have colour like Taiwan Reef, I have seen him. {I thought it was a mis label on the tank, but now } Oh good I said. All I suggest you do is look them up, I am just being polite. I could tell you direct they are a hybrid of the 2 then, because in this case the Juvie Protomela don't lie, especially with the horizontal stripe running right through the body, that is Red Empress trait. But I will leave you with it. He then said, you don't know what you are talking about. I said no, but my wallet does & I have never been back. That was the middle of last year, easy. Just to see in this example, The female is what the juvies looked like at the shop, http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/p_taeniolatus.php The fish he was selling were meant to look like this http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/p_steveni.php These 2 species will cross just as quick as mixed peacocks. I see where Brad comes from as I have been there done that with lfs. Then again I have had people think a frontosa was a convict Most common thing is that fish is dead, wehn pointing to something dorment axolotol, bristlenose... Frenchy

hmm, used to be like that here. People may see my posts as being annoying sometimes, :oops: when I mention naming fish properly & being anti hybrid. Most people who get into cichlids get into the hobby side of things more, therefore knowing what is what. Point being, Hybrids are a very small % of what is in shops here now compared to 5 & more years ago. You may see an assorted tank, that is it. Alan has been on a LFS tour here{sorry not many killies or Madagascian lace plant}. Most shops here do the right thing now, as they know they can't move dodgy stock. Just don't buy the rubbish, make a point. You can complain politely, enough people do it, the more the lfs get the hint. I have seen Brad take dodgy trade ins, to feed them to the native display tank,{after person has left} rather than see them forked off to some poor individual down the track. Frenchy

Any chance of a pic? I thought one of you 2 fellas would of questioned the LFS, aren't you 2 concerned someone may buy these, especially if it is a cross breed. I know the shop may tell you to p... off, I have had that before :lol: I know hard to believe. :roll: Who cares, I don't shop there again & at least I can say I tried. Frenchy

I have seen red maleris from another member, I called them sunshines until I noted different common name different county was the same fish :lol: Cool, just was worried when you said As you know, dam females are hard to tell. Frenchy

Sorry will go off topic, Who said you can't? It's only people been saying you can't add variants to fish, that is all. If they came in with a variant all sweet. I here someone is calling his Maleri reds, Chidunga rocks. We call Maleri reds, sunshine peacocks here.{last part for Brad, if he reads & goes I have heard of only Maleri Gold :lol: } Just a note Ryan, be careful if you think they are 2 different varients. I have seen one persons rubin reds, they looked like maleri Golds to me. Very goldy yellow in colour. Rather than the orange/reddish colour. You may have 2 different species & these 2 species cross breed very easily. Just incase importers or wholesalers had a mix up. I put a zillion on them being not ahli too, also F1 lionheads, can he prove that? Frenchy

Sweet very nice. I wish I was allowed a big tank Frenchy

You can here to. If you can't say i bought them off this shop, as long as they got off this breeder, who got it from that breeder. To many steps down the line. If I had a freshly illegal import then yep, i am in trouble. I get fined if I am not willing to name someone else. Most cichlids & catfish in Australia were smuggled in at one stage. Illegal imports if you have are fine, if they are generally well circulated. {The whites at the moment are probably a bad example :oops: Probably, I am the one of a handful in Aussie, successfully breeding them at the moment} so shhhh... :lol: If a fish is classed as a noxious species, then that is a huge no no. Big fine, your tanks get poison..... ie; Tiliapia. Here is what we are allowed to import, far cry from what is here... Frenchy

Oh speaking of red comps. Someone had a photo up in cichlid forum of their comp. I said it looked like a red fin, but what did it get imported in as. Looks like it really is one then....cool 8) Frenchy

There is no variant name. & no they might not be a variant at all. With cichlids in the older times, some were simple collected passed on & sold. Alot of cichlids were just haplochromine, I doubt they thought there would be hundreds of species, all with their own variants, when there is no other lake the same anywhere around the world with such diversity of fish. Then later on down the track they go hey we found the same fish somewhere else & gave it a variant. Then the old school place gets given a variant as well. The old school already in circulation just maintains the old name no variant. Problem is by then its like, well we were exporting a particular fish from 1,2,3... different spots, didn't really know better in some cases. We thought it to be the same fish. After scientific examination, oops there are little differences. Number of scales, rows, teeth....all very hard to tell with naked eye. Julies in marlieri have been circulating for nearly 50 years. Here, USA, Europe there are plenty of examples of old school cichlids, that will never have variant names. A.Compressiceps, A. Calvus Black, Electric Yellows, Electric Blues{Fryeri}, Aulonocaras that just have fancy names like sunshine peacocks, brichardis, lelupis, frontosa, Julidochromis species.... could go on for ever. Julie marlieri were first collected from the northern parts. That is a pretty broad area, especially seeing as now the northern parts are broken up into at least 5 variants, top of head. As for Red fin compressiceps, there is such a name. So that is what they should be called. There is a red fin variant from Kigoma too.{Fire fin common name} The theory is they could be the one fish, but if they came in just as red fins then that is all you can call them. Can't call them Kigoma. When it comes to Altos, I have had, 10 different types. Some are just called common names, black calvus, gold heads...then I had a gold head variant"mutondwe", a red variant variant to "kigoma" there are differences between them & the common names too. The white Calvus I have currently, look like Chakitia, but I can't call them that. They were smuggled in just as White Calvus. No biggy really. Just what we got. Frenchy

Reputable source is great, but only if you use it properly. My better half is a RN uni student 3rd year. It is what you do with the references. You haven't learnt anything. From the fronnie posts, yellow posts, electric blue posts..... :roll: The point is you can't go by a picture on the net. You can only go by what you bought them as, that is it. Okay wholesales make mistakes, ie; ahlis, but that is easily corrected. Calling something that it isn't is wrong, plain & simple, irresponsible, oh blah blah blah. If someone gets in a particular variant & imagine if it was the same as what you have called yours to. You are risking cross breeding by having incorrectly labelled fish. That is just one problem. You see people usually do what you have done to also upsell there stock, ie; get a better price. Hope your not like that. I don't have to check anything about the ahlis, if you are now doing the right thing now, well done. The thing is I know you weren't. If I didn't have to keep you in check in this case, then I would have a life too. :lol: I think people should take responsibilty of what they post. People who might not know better may take your word as gospel. If you had of read the first few posts properly, we wouldn't of had to go down this path in the first place too. Oh its not mis information too, they are using the old name, which is still valid. In other parts of the world they are still imported as such. Rutunga are imported as such too. The point of the my posts was that you are calling your fish by the wrong name. That is it. :roll: Overseas the "Burundi" are still imported as such & sometimes with the variant tag, you see people who buy them know exactly what they have got. I prefer the variant tag on its own, but what can you do. Oh I had a good weekend thanks, few quiets Friday night, cricket Sat, out with the boys Sat night, played in Poker tourney today, at the misses currently, she is studying while I am having fun, had dinner & still managed to find time to discuss fishy fish names. People that live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. :lol: Frenchy

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Well done, looks great. Frenchy

Wow, so there is on that link :lol: Easy to see confusion aye. And this site too. http://wetpetz.com/julmarlieri.htm even mentions a new variant So which varient listed above is in Burundi? Well just to let tropheus know, Magara is in Burundi. Some call them Burundi, some call them Magara, or in this case both & Burundi is the "old" name for them, alot of sources still use that. Sorry thought you be up with the times Tropheus. The cichlid forum is a great site, just some information is more up to date than others, simple really. Thanks for biting to tropheus The rest of the places are scattered. eg; Kala is in Tanzania, Isanga-Zaire, Katoto-Zambia... So Tropheus to keep up with the times you should call them Magara, why do I hear you ask? Well there is also a variant called Rutunga, that is in Burundi too. Just calling them Burundi, could cause confusion. Now, why did I say this? I have been told the Marlieri were imported into NZ without a variant, eg; Burundi. So why do you call them that? :-? I am the idiot, but if I can see through you, what does that make you then? What you are doing by adding varient names to fish, imported without, is wrong. Plain & simple. Then again I here you sell your electric blues as ahlis too....thats not right either aye. :lol: Frenchy

If this is based solely on what they look like? If so then it proves nothing. I said Transcripts no variant, as that is what I was told they were imported into NZ as. From a pretty reliable source too. If some did come in with a variant, then that is good news. 8) Why is that? Just incase you are talking about marlieri.... That is exactly where I got this info from, backed up from another source here. So what did you get your marlieri as, can't be Burundis now can it? Especially if you post rubbish like J. marlieri "Burundi" I would be a bastard to all those concerned, that if I knew better & I let comments like that slide. Correct? Frenchy

hmm Burundi aye. That is a big area. Julidochromis marlieri are broken down into these varients; Magara, Halembe, Kala, Katili, Samazi, Kambwimba, Isanga, Cape Tembwe, or Katoto. Were they imported as Burundis? Sorry no such variant. Frenchy

Not from an airstone. My garage now sounds like a cheap divvy lfs that runs solely on air stones :lol: I got a new pump off Brad last week, runs a few tanks but, which is good. :roll: So did I. What are the fish like now? Frenchy

Thats all good Mekhaela. After seeing the pic on trade me. Be interesting to know if others have goldens... if they stayed that colour & have bred & what are the fry like? I hate new imports of fish with fancy type names, that don't exist anywhere. I couldn't find info tropheus either, even made a couple of calls. Blank responses. Frenchy

Of course you won't. Golden johanni, just some made up name to help with sales. There was a post a few pages back about Golden johannis. The funny thing is, when you look at the top pic, see how the eyes are red, just like a red zeb.... I doubt the ones in the top pic are his. If they are, look suss to me. The bottom pic, I say that are his. Very hard to tell, just juvie Johanni, look really red but, maybe red zebs. How can you tell with that pic. :roll: Could be hybrids, how would you know. Anyone kept these, grown them up, pics etc??? Frenchy

They were imported without a variant. How are you going to possible tell what they are. That is the point. If you have so many & don't know, what is people sending you photos going to prove. Not being cheeky, thought the point was obvious. Frenchy

Tropheus, quote... Well wouldn't you know then. I mean you have more than anyone else. Tell ya what. I am really a nice guy 8) enjoy taking the piss, that is all. Send me a photo. I will show someone who has bred these for mulitple years & see what he thinks. My point before was.... that if they were imported without a variant, then they aren't able to called a variant. No variant means old school, therefore they came from here.... You have to find what they came in as. Sorry to Jo & Willy. I suggest you 2 have a look at the link, well worth it. He's the guy for julies & info. I forward onto to Mekhaela too, she liked. Also where I used to work... http://www.wetpetz.com/julmarlieri.htm Special breeding notes, must read. Frenchy

Oh sorry, the old line of trans came from here Frenchy

Ok, :lol: Maybe your knowledge be better spent in reading posts properly. I didn't realise that you asked the original question, oh you didn't. To which Mekhaela replied, to which I confirmed what Mekhaela had said. :roll: It's nice to confirm what others say, which I seem to do with some & not others Sorry couldn't help myself. As a guess, it would be a case of your Julies got imported as Julidochromis transcriptus & that is all you can call them. No variant. Another sexing tip, seeing as you know you could of added Tropheus, is that Males have a more pointed papilla slanting to the rear. Frenchy