#!CrunchBang Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Using CO2 is what they do with male laying chicken chicks. It's Oxygen displacement and humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Using CO2 is what they do with male laying chicken chicks. It's Oxygen displacement and humane. You sure it's CO2? Have you ever inhaled CO2? It burns and you immediately feel like you're suffocating. It's the high CO2 level in your blood, not the low oxygen level that triggers the feeling of suffocation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amtiskaw Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Nitrogen would be more humane as it doesn't trigger the breathing reflex. There's a few industrial deaths every year where people get killed by N accidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 The TNR policy is the stupidest thing iv heard of. If the SPCA want to look even the slightest bit intelligent they need to shut Bob Kerridge up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 They mean well but can cause a few problems like greenpeace. They have gone after businesses that they think have done something wrong but it is sometimes them that got it wrong and some poor outfit is then out of business. SPCA are the reason it is difficult to send reptiles by courier as many have just refused to take them as the easy way out. Some idiot sent a turtle in a cardboard box and it got squashed. Air NZ require that they be in a plastic container inside the box when you send by their pet flight. Would need to be good as it costs an arm and a leg. Many moons ago the council used to kill cats and dogs by using vehicle exhaust and dispose of the bodies at the pit. I think they charged either $5 or $10 to ratepayers and the SPCA used to use the service (they were ratepayers) but charge way more than that to their customers. I think they should put down way more strays and adopt only to people that will be good pet owners. At the moment they are a bit loose about who gets them so they can get rid of them and avoid puting them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 and in other news some genius wants to ban auto cars to save petrol. That certainly will save fuel in a big way because most cars are made with auto transmissions so we will have to start using bikes as there won't be enough cars for us. he also based his story on a 1L per 100 difference between manual and auto but i looked at corolla, i30, civic & cruze petrol cars and the largest difference per 100 is 0.5L. Is it "Let someone special make the news" month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Bob from SPCA said 'let nature do it, it will balance itself out', I am even more worried about that guy... :dunno: SPCA Facebook page this morning. "The SPCA absolutely does not release cats into the wild. Our Trap, Neuter, Release (TNR) programme deals with stray cats only - domestic cats that have been abandoned or otherwise left to fend for themselves in urban areas. The SPCA or colony carers trap these cats and the SPCA desexes them, before releasing them back to their colonies where they are regularly fed and cared for by SPCA volunteers. Desexing all cats in a colony ensures that the colony will not be maintained and will eventually disappear. Cats in our SPCA Centres who are unable to find homes for whatever reason are euthanised, not released into the environment. The cats that live in the wild are classed as 'feral'. Feral cats are born in the bush and have no dependancy on people for food or shelter, and so they resort to hunting for their food, preying on both native and introduced fauna. Research shows that their main diet is made up of land mammals such as rats, mice and other introduced pest species. Feral cats are declared a pest species and as such are outside of the SPCA's jurisdiction. Please listen to SPCA National President Bob Kerridge's response on RadioLIVE here: http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Bob-Kerridge ... fault.aspx " I think this thread needs to be locked now because it goes round and round in circles, and shows how ignorant people are on both sides of the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackp Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Not really a reason to shut it down. If you think it's getting repetitive you could always ignore it. And stopping discussion is hardly a cure for ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Can someone please explain to me what a colony of cats is and where they might be found. Sounds like urban ferals to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I was thinking the same thing but if you listen to the radio recording it makes more sense. One comment that stood out is less than 1% of a Colony or pet cat's diet is native birds and feral cats (born and reared in the wild) are euthanized not released. Research (stated by Bob) indicates only 50% of domestic cats hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 One problem is that they catch reptiles. They get out in the sun and only move slowly until they warm up so easy prey for cats. Birds are not so easy and take a lot more stealth and work. All the wild lizards in the South Island are native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Can someone please explain to me what a colony of cats is and where they might be found. Sounds like urban ferals to me. try the back of the Tauranga race course, last hunt there I think netted over 100 strays/ferals, the do form mass groups, i guess colonies is as good a name as any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 There used to be a colony living in a carpark in Upper Hutt when I lived there. I believe they used to get fed by someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 The SPCA releasing de-sexed cats into the wild (even if it is urban) set a very bad example to the general public - "If the SPCA do why can't I?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I don't agree that urban is 'the wild', though they could roam far enough to find 'the wild' since most towns around the outside of a city in NZ aren't too far from bush or pasture of some sort. Do you think SPCA would do that though, if other organisations did not approve? I wonder what authority they have to do that, whether there were any agreements made with DOC or local councils, and what research was done into the longevity of cat colonies before this practise started taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 To release cats (neutered or not) into groups or colonies in my opinion is fundamentally stupid. The will not be socialised to humans, checked for health but simply chucked a bit of food now and again. They will wander over properties and be a pain in the butt as they have a big territory and no "home". The SPCA should wake up and put down any cats that do not have a resposible owner to keep them under control. I think Morgan is a very sensible man and the SPCA have lost the plot and been taken over by "pussylovers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 It seems so silly that it makes me wonder if the obvious is not the case, and that is how they can do it. From Stephanie's post I understood that they catch the cat that is already in a colony, neuter it, and then put it back. Not give unhomed strays from the shelter to a colony, that is something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 To release cats (neutered or not) into groups or colonies in my opinion is fundamentally stupid. The will not be socialised to humans, checked for health but simply chucked a bit of food now and again. They will wander over properties and be a pain in the butt as they have a big territory and no "home". The SPCA should wake up and put down any cats that do not have a resposible owner to keep them under control. I think Morgan is a very sensible man and the SPCA have lost the plot and been taken over by "pussylovers" Exactly! Yes they might not eat as many native birds (gut content doesn't show the body count of kills-for-fun) but there are all the other nuisance factors to be considered too. Again it shows a double standard for cats vs any other introduced animal. Sugar-coating feral cats in urban areas by giving them some cute name doesn't change the fact that they're unwanted and a nuisance to the rest of the population who haven't been brainwashed by the cats hypnotic powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I have just heard they are interviewing the Kerridge guy from the SPCA tonight on Campbell Live TV3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Not give unhomed strays from the shelter to a colony, that is something different. Anyone who thinks they would do that is insane! Interesting that thing popped up on Facebook. There was a thing on TV awhile back about a colony of cats somewhere in the country that they trapped, neutered and released, and I really do think it's better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 not certain but im pretty sure the TGA ones all got put down, never heard of them releasing cats in the "wild", thats kinda against their ideals. isn't their purpose to make sure they have good homes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackp Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Anyone who thinks they would do that is insane! Interesting that thing popped up on Facebook. There was a thing on TV awhile back about a colony of cats somewhere in the country that they trapped, neutered and released, and I really do think it's better than nothing. Yes it's better than doing nothing, but that's not setting the bar very high. Personally I think it's insane that the go to the trouble and expense of catching them only to return them to where they were caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish_fingers Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 +1 Bob Kerridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 good evening everyone, my name is Stephan and I am insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 If there is "a colony of cats" out there it means they have no owner and are wild or feral wether in the rural or urban area. The SPCA should trap and destroy them not get members to feed and encourage them. Donations to the SPCA ---I think not. I have been involved with the SPCA in trapping and sorting out 20-30 diseased and half feral cats about yearly from under a pussylover's house so they do and can sort this out in the urban area. If they are not it is because they have been taken over by "pussylovers" and they need to have a rethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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