camtang Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 SPCA has no authority as fish are not legally animals wow, Im suprised the spca has no authority. who looks after the welfare of fish then? CYF... child youth and fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 This is the problem camtang, currently in NZ fish are treated like second rate pets. :an!gry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I wonder if there is someone at the SPCA that I can talk to about this... :cofn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 The SPCA are not the problem it is the pollies in the beehive. If they decide fish are not animals then no one is being cruel to animals. If they bought in laws to say that fish are animals all the people that catch trout, salmon etc and all the commercial fishermen would run the risk of spending time at the pleasure of her majesty for animal cruelty. The cruelty you see here is nothing compared to what else goes on out there in the big bad world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I have emailed the SPCA asking about what steps will need to be taken. At the very least I should get pointed in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 You can ring the SPCA and report it, they will still check it out. I did that with a restaurant that had a tank of huge goldfish in the window of their shop that had no filter and was only half full of water. It wasn't on their urgent list but they must have done something as I went past a few days later and there was more water in the tank at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I would like to raise the bar a bit further. Prevention is better than cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 prevention is ensuring the owners are knowledgeable. this guy has somehow been taught that Oxygen weed negates the need of water movement, and that cold water tank require less water changes (among innumerable other things) and I hear these from people every day, prevention is finding the people teaching these things and either educating them or wringing their necks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I once created a gmail for the Goldfish Protection League and sent an email to someone at my work that had a goldfish bowl that was half evaporated. I sent her an email that we've been advised that she has not been properly taking care of her goldfish and she has 48 hours to improve conditions or the goldfish will be confiscated. I can't get into that account now though. Can't remember the password. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 The GPL has a very strong following, they would be sure to see results if it was abused CODE* *Carassius auratus Observed Dying or mistrEated :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I once created a gmail for the Goldfish Protection League and sent an email to someone at my work that had a goldfish bowl that was half evaporated. I sent her an email that we've been advised that she has not been properly taking care of her goldfish and she has 48 hours to improve conditions or the goldfish will be confiscated. I can't get into that account now though. Can't remember the password. :rotf: Did she improve the goldfish's life as a result ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 :rotf: Did she improve the goldfish's life as a result ? Actually, yeah, the next day the bowl was nice and clean and full of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 How can there be any animal cruelty if a fish is not an animal? you should put a flea in the ear of politicians rather than the SPCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 But that would be cruelty to fleas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsnana Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 But that would be cruelty to fleas! lol How can there be any animal cruelty if a fish is not an animal? you should put a flea in the ear of politicians rather than the SPCA. If the SPCA cant help me, this will be my next step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 hrmmmm.... wonder if in the future I could get a job as an aquraium cruelty ranger, and handcuff people who trade in feeder goldfish..... This could become a slippery slope. Pollies always manage to screw it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Pollies have to do an IQ test before applying (and get a result less than thirty to be accepted). They also react to political pressure and imagine how much pressure would be applied by the fishing lobby--both recreational and commercial if it was no longer acceptable to do what they do. It would make a goldfish in a bowl grateful to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 fish are an animal so are covered by the act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Sorry, you are correct LA Animal Welfare Act 1999 animal— (a) means any live member of the animal kingdom that is— (i) a mammal; or (ii) a bird; or (iii) a reptile; or (iv) an amphibian; or (v) a fish (bony or cartilaginous); or (vi) any octopus, squid, crab, lobster, or crayfish (including freshwater crayfish); or (vii) any other member of the animal kingdom which is declared from time to time by the Governor-General, by Order in Council, to be an animal for the purposes of this Act; and (b) includes any mammalian foetus, or any avian or reptilian pre-hatched young, that is in the last half of its period of gestation or development; and © includes any marsupial pouch young; but (d) does not include— (i) a human being; or (ii) except as provided in paragraph (b) or paragraph ©, any animal in the pre-natal, pre-hatched, larval, or other such developmental stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 *cough* SPCA *cough* The RSPCA covers the care of goldfish in containers. Their care comes under the animal welfare act ( UK). See http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/faq/- ... dfishBowls Don't know what the situation is in NZ. But I found this which looks inaccurate http://www.spcaotago.org.nz/animal-advice/fish-advice/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Sorry, you are correct LA Animal Welfare Act 1999 animal— (a) means any live member of the animal kingdom that is— (i) a mammal; or (ii) a bird; or (iii) a reptile; or (iv) an amphibian; or (v) a fish (bony or cartilaginous); or (vi) any octopus, squid, crab, lobster, or crayfish (including freshwater crayfish); or (vii) any other member of the animal kingdom which is declared from time to time by the Governor-General, by Order in Council, to be an animal for the purposes of this Act; and (b) includes any mammalian foetus, or any avian or reptilian pre-hatched young, that is in the last half of its period of gestation or development; and © includes any marsupial pouch young; but (d) does not include— (i) a human being; or (ii) except as provided in paragraph (b) or paragraph ©, any animal in the pre-natal, pre-hatched, larval, or other such developmental stage not on their to enforce list methinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 It would be very difficult to see how commercial fishing,big game or trout/salmon fishing could be a nice way to treat an animal so it all may have (along with a goldfish in a bowl) have fallen to the bottom of the too hard basket. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Govt is going after the big fish ( those boats dumping fish at sea ). We can help at the other end with education ( though that hasn't seemed to have worked either with TM or the seller ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 The RSPCA covers the care of goldfish in containers. Their care comes under the animal welfare act ( UK). See http://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/faq/- ... dfishBowls Don't know what the situation is in NZ. But I found this which looks inaccurate http://www.spcaotago.org.nz/animal-advice/fish-advice/Oh, I see my coldwater tanks don't need filters, I wish someone had told me that be fore I brought filters for the all :rotf: 3. A water filter operated by a small electric motor will help to keep the tank clean, but is not essential for coldwater fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 As noted, if the SPCA advice is wrong, what hope is there for the general public? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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