John at Organism has Limnophila and Cryptocorynes and even bits of wood in the tanks and he still manages to do an excellent job at catching the fish :thup: It all depends on the layout of the tank. The plants are at the sides leaving a large open space where the fish can easily be caught. And adding plants and wood makes the fishes feel safer in their environment, which means that they colour up a lot more and look a lot happier and are less likely to hide. The one thing that has always struck me when I walk into Organism is how colourful, healthy and lively everything looks.