Joe Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Hey guys, Does anyone know where I can get some mesh from to make a breeding trap for my Green Neons? Also what sort of mesh should I use - plastic, galvanized, stainless steel, aluminum etc? I saw this link posted on here somewhere once - http://www.gordonharris.co.nz/amaco-c-56_58.html Does any of that stuff look good? Thanks, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#!CrunchBang Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 plastic, galvanized, stainless steel, aluminium of those plastic or stainless. galvanised and Al will still corrode metals into the water Also, learn the proper English for things like aluminium and galvanised because when you go to uni a lecturer might just mark you down for using Americanised spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Not sure what the technique is for breeding neons with a mesh but how about the plastic fly screen mesh you can buy pr meter in hardware stores.. I think I have a picture somewhere........... Here it is: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I've tried a bunch of commonly found plastic meshes - in my breeding tank thread - not all successful but could work for you. The best stuff looks like white bait net that you can get from someone like Discount Fishing Supplies online, I didn't get that far and haven't inspected in person. If you find any stainless steel mesh that is affordable please let me know, maybe we can get some together. I have the cutting stuff here if you don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Thanks so much for all that info guys Hovmoller that breeding trap looks amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Now is the time to start building tanks (if you are not already) Build a small tank for breeding with a smaller tank inside without a base. Glue the metal mesh used for making whitebait traps on the bottom and brace it at the top. Put straps on the top (braces it also) or small spacers on the bottom to keep it up from the bottom of the main tank. If you are serious make a few sets and set them up with pairs or trios at the same time so that you are raising fry of the same age. Use low light and when you see eggs cover with newspaper until free swimming. A drop of acriflavine helps. The first lot of eggs are probably no good as they can get calcified. Feed on lumbriculus and breed once a week until the market is saturated. Build more tanks to grow them all out.There is a sex skew by temperature so if you end up with all females lower the temperature a bit. Good luck and don't forget me when I get my munted tank replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Thanks Alan I appreciate your advice about building more tanks, however I have neither the room nor the funds to do that sort of thing. All the tanks are in my bedroom and I really don't have the room for a proper breeding setup like what you probably have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 use a small tank with a double layer of marbles as substrate, then once they have spawned remove the parents and marbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Thanks Alan I appreciate your advice about building more tanks, however I have neither the room nor the funds to do that sort of thing. All the tanks are in my bedroom and I really don't have the room for a proper breeding setup like what you probably have what? no room for more tanks??, remove the bed and learn to sleep standing up, great for your back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 He also has parents who say no more tanks! Joe, I have some fly screens here if you want to use the mesh from those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I always just used a large nylon scoop net with a few marbles in the bottom to weigh it down over a bare glass tank with a sponge filter, ugly but effective, move the net every day so eggs are evenly scattedered and fish waste does not pool over them. then lots of meth blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Right ho - I am giving back my 120L tank because I am borrowing it. All of my plants are going to Jennifer. Pots will go outside. I am going to get two 45cm cube tanks with canister filters, heaters and clip-on lights to grow the Indian fern. The 140L tank will stay as is. The fish will be spawned in the two seperate tanks, so that way I can spawn them at different temperatures to get a good mix of males/females. I'm also looking at getting some more live food cultures. Mum and I are planning a trip to Christchurch in the near future so I can get some supplies. Caryl I have replied to your email about the fly screens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Live food to get these guy's breeding would be microworms, whiteworms and brine shrimp nymph. There is an article here ( Caryl can point you in the right direction ) on how to breed Cardinal tetra. HOWEVER I think you will find the best temp for breeding Green's is 23 - 24C. This would work and I have read they breed best in groups which means the Cardinal set up is probably best. For neon Tetra a 20 - 25cmsq aquarium with a bottom mesh trap as Alan described is best with peat socked rain water and a large hand full of spawning moss/mop for them to breed in. The 21C water should be 50 -75mm above the trap, this is for pair breeding ( this is a tried and true practice ) If you were to use this method I'd up the temp 23 - 24C I've used this method to breed many small tetra very successfully, I even caught some of them in the act. Did you know Glowlights release there eggs in a barrel role??, the eggs fly every where. Both cardinal and neon fry once free swimming can eat NEWLY hatch brine shrimp as a first food combined with microworms etc. So I think it is safe to assume they can too, if not they will be able to eat baby micro worms. Do you have a spot light store near you?? in the cross stitch section you can buy sheets of plastic mesh that works " perfectly " for breeding egg scatters. The fly screen maybe to fine but give it a go. Good luck Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Thanks so much for that information, it is extremely helpful We don't have a Spotlight store in Blenheim but we are going to Christchurch in the near future to get some stuff so I can have a look there. And there will probably be tonnes of other stores that will have some mesh of some sort there, so I should have quite a good range of different things to choose from I will try and get a brine shrimp hatchery or two going. And the microworms should be easy too. I actually used to have some but the fish I had at the time weren't as small as the tetras and they never touched the microworms so I ended up chucking the cultures out :facepalm: Are there any other types of live food that I should culture apart from the mircoworms, brine shrimp and blackworms, whether it for the fry or for the adults? I would like to try and give them a variety of different things if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 You can seperate the maller white worms from the colony by adding them to water---the large ones sink first and the small ones can be decanted off. The problem is that you lose your replacemnt big ones. Grindal worms are between micro and white worms. They need to be warm and moist unlike whiteworms. Daphnia when the weather is suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Cool thanks Alan I used to have white worms but I neglected the culture and I lost it but I'll get some more. I can remember that my fish used to absolutely love them! Grindal worms sound a bit too difficult for me to manage. What about wingless fruit flies? Has anyone tried them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I used to breed a lot of them for fire bellied newt food. I found that most fish were not keen but guppies were. They would be good for some top feeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Okay so maybe not worth the effort for the neons then? I will try to get these cultures set up: - Microworms - Whiteworms - Brine Shrimp And I've already got the blackworms. Those, and the whiteworms, will just be used for the parents because of course they're too big for the fry. And I can also feed the parents some of the microworms and brine shrimp so they have more variety Just been looking at some other foods... Are any of these good for the Green Neon fry? Frozen Rotifers NLS Small Fry Starter Formula 1mm NLS Grow Formula 0.5mm JBL NovoBaby JBL Nobilfluid Artermia Decap Brine Shrimp And for the parents... NLS Community Formula 1mm NLS Small Fish Formula 0.5mm NLS Thera A with extra Garlic 0.5mm NLS Freshwater Flakes with Garlic AHT Brine Shrimp Flakes AHT Freeze Dried Daphina Also I'm not looking to buy ALL of these, I just want to know whats good, whats not, and if it is suited for the Green Neons and the fry and worth purchasing Thanks for your help so far everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 You should be able to produce enough live foods not to worry about dry foods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Lumbriculus will get them going. Whiteworms and other live food now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hali Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 I can say that with the choice of bloodworms, microworms, BBS, the odd pinch of bettamin :roey: and the recent addition of freeze dried daphnia... The only one ever left at the end is the freeze dried Daphnia. There seems to be too many 'bits' they don't like and after sifting through for half a minute they leave the rest just my experience. Microworms are easy enough to keep going, if you can keep the dog out of the fish room :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Joe, you can chop blackworms into tiny pieces and then the fry (larger fry of course) can have a chomp. And you don't have the 'dietary' issues with black worms as you do with white worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 What dietary issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I think she means that if you feed just whiteworms that it is quite bad for your fish because they've got more fat in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Yes 18% fat, of which most are healthy fatty acids like omega 3 etc. Over feed all animals and they get fatty livers including people :cofn: I fell like a biscuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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