Insect Direct Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Noticed a 3year old beardie trying to dig on her basking tile the other day (never laid before) but has been with a male recently and looks gravid. She has access to damp sand for laying, but seems really stressed, ate a single cricket yesterday but other than looking at live food shows little interest. Appears a litle dehydrated, eyes sunken a little and top of head, which is why im little worried, had one similar last year and she karked it pretty quick after laying. . other than taking her to the vet, has anyone got any ideas on what i can do to help her pass the eggs and or get her over this little state? tia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 tried bringing the temp up or a warm bath? got any electrolytes to syringe into the mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 take her out in the backyard if you can?They are reptiles when all things considered and even though raised in tanks and cages ,far from what you would call `domesticated`? Natural is the way to go for me and seems to work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 tried bringing the temp up or a warm bath? got any electrolytes to syringe into the mouth i have been a bit slack checking temps as of late :oops: . just checked and her basking temp was at 34C. Put her in new setup with rock at 42C and shes spread out on it gave her a quick warm bath this morning. pro-biotic a couple of days ago. was thinking stress was causing parasites to give her grief, but maybe just temps thinking about it now. may get fecal tested this week anyway. I like that idea Repto, but she hasnt been digging alot but was doing the obvious head down trying to dig the other day. Too lower temp would explain lack of trying to dig, fingers x'd thats all it is. Cheers guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 still looks dehydrated, bit sluggish. just gave her another bath. she passed some white stuff and bubbles but no #2s gently felt stomach when in water, almost 100% sure there's eggs in there. hope she comes right, biggest dragon i have, always been a good strong dragon. anyone know optimum laying temp and substrate moisture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 females systems get stressed when in egg production liver changes as yolk production starts there i have a pic of egg carrying beardie autopsy if you want to see it came off a reptile forum a while back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 yeah i should of had temps right for a start, she would have had access to good temps up until two days ago though. and out in the sun on the good days. thats interesting re liver, never knew that. yes please always keen to see pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 warning to the squeamish or those eating dinner graphic pic to follow :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 sorry can't remember where this pic came from :oops: large yellow mass is liver turned yellow from yolk production FB are fat deposits K is kidneys follicles are eggs being produced, start as yolks then as they move down to oviduuct outer casing is added lots of protein and calcium may help to take some stress off her system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 cheers, just came across it http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/l ... ience.html looks very similar to one i had pass last year. so if she dies before laying you cant exactly open her up and find eggs. :-? will try get more calcium into her, didnt want to eat today, one cricket yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 yes i went looking for it too, a good write up with it found this as well, some good pics too http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/l ... rdies.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 haha i went searching follicles, next thing that pic was on screen. came back and you'd explained it all anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 google is all about putting the right words in the box :happy1: the more you learn about your animals inside and out the better you understand them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 sure is. my diy autopsy :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 nice job did you open up stomach and oesophagus as well diagnosis? good edit on title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 didnt open up more than that for memory. other than taking intestine? out, see 5-10mm worms like things on right...other thn that to my untrained eye, she looked ok. and maybe a bit fat, and that red lump thing on fat pad which i dont know if hints to anything.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 this (looks like dried blood) was on her basking rock next to where i found her one morning. something lapsed? did wonder about mealworms but i really dont know, just hope this other one isnt heading the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-town... Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 wow they are some graphic pics alright lol Im no help but sorry for your loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 this (looks like dried blood) was on her basking rock next to where i found her one morning. if that is from the autopsied one the red lump maybe a blood clot from a haemmorhage the liver looks pale maybe internal bleeding this is only supposition though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaky2 Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 BSI? like the tv show..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 lol sneaky. yeah all those pics from the one i had pass on last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zev Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 BSI? like the tv show..... You need that special spray that makes blood show up under ultraviolet light for that rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 I think this thread is very very interesting and I don't think the pics are that bad - more fascinating really. While I can't be any help on the topic of reptiles this is very informative. Good luck with your beardie, hopefully she will recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 The one that is currently sick, is actually the sister to the one i autopsied. Didnt pair her up last year after other one dieing, this one been looking so good until now. orange around eyes is stress related i think. not easy to tell but back top part on head appears sunken in, and the eyes slightly. Just gave her another bath out in the sun, now basking out in the sun. She needs a boost of energy or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaM Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 I really hope she makes it! Sounds like you're doing all you can and its a bit of wait and see. :dunno: Yes the pics are very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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