piggyvir Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I am going to submit an import application to MAF to import Cherry Shrimp. I am hoping I can keep this thread as WIP and Technical support. It looks like the deadline line of application is end of Jan (according to last year schedule) and they will announcement the successful application around July. For those who are willling to help, here's the first question - which country should I import the shrimp from? I come from HK and that's where I see these lovely shrimp and I am thinking to import it from there. Any other suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1CK Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Where you would import them from really depends on the cost of everything, and/or if you have sources where you can get them from ect ect I also have a list of diseases FW shrimp get if you need it.... EDIT: I am keen for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Not sure on where to get them from, there are some in Aus so I'd look there seeing as they're the closest and most similar to us. But they cost $50 ea! Perhaps Singapore or similar? As for tips, just do your research. There are many one here (myself included) that'd be keen for these little critters, but you'll need to find a larger market. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks for pursuing this. Im sure the FNZAS can assist as much as is possible. Importing them from Singapore would be your best bet. The other thing to bear in mind, is that MAF do not need to prove that there is a credible threat to NZ biosecurity with them importation of this organism, but is to prove that there is NIL/ no credible threat at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks everyone - it's nice to get some leads before researching to narrow down what I need to do. I will do some research this week around Singapore and Hong Kong and will make some contacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 I've found someone that ship guppies and shrimp to international customers - it seems like I can get away with the importers perhaps.. I have emailed MAF to confirm. Dear Virginia, Hobbyist usually request to be ship by courier service which is the cheapest for about 50 to 100pcs. Estimated shipping and handling cost is USD65/-. Rgds Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 No. The reason you use an importer is not just to get them here. It is because they have quarantine facilities here in NZ. It will on average cost between $20k and $30k for a facility, so unless you have one - you will need an importer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Hi Virginia Should your application be successful, your transport method to New Zealand would not be of concern, so this would be fine. Regards Erin Maher | Advisor here we go - no importers required !!!!!! I just need to get the application going, courier it from overseas on superfast courier.. since I am just a hobbyist with no plan on selling the shrimps, I cannot see the point of getting an importer involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Trust me I have done it. You will need to quarantine them (for 6 weeks at a guess). You will need to establish a quarantine facility at great expense and heartache or arrange for them to be quarantined at an existing facility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 The application for approval to import may well be free but the information they will require to consider the application is very unlikely to be. If it was easy---lots of people would be doing it (including me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Emm - understand and I will try my very best to submit this.. since I dont' have much to do lately..... I can't believe this they do this every years only !! Hi Virginia I have attached a word document that outlines the process that you must go through to add a species to the list. As you will see, the first step to adding a species is to confirm with ERMA whether it is considered new or not. You can contact them at [email protected] The next step would be to apply for the change in the Import Health Standard, which can be found at the link below. http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/regs/imports/ihs/request The last prioritisation round closed in Jan 2009 so the next set of applications will be considered/viewed in Jan 2011 so you will have plenty of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 You cant just courier them to your door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Not legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 can you send a copy of documentation you recieve through to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trumpetgear Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 here we go - no importers required !!!!!! I just need to get the application going, courier it from overseas on superfast courier.. since I am just a hobbyist with no plan on selling the shrimps, I cannot see the point of getting an importer involved. Go for it ----what can you loose :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: only money and thats made to go around :roll: :roll: pity i dont see any of it. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: ************well thats life******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Ignorance is bliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 lol.. drilling down a bit more, it's more complicated than what it requires in Canada... I think it will be much easier for me to leave this country and go to somewhere else where Cherry Shrimp is available.. haha I think I will still submit the application for the sake of it... I have been looking through the quarantine requirement and this clause is so not fair !!!! As the supervisor is required to make frequent visits to the facility (see 6.4.1) the operator shall agree to pay the costs associated with these visits. just that they want to visit for whatever reasons, I need to pay?! should i take the risk just have that courier without the permit and quarantine facility? hehe.. not a wise choice I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 just that they want to visit for whatever reasons, I need to pay?! Their reasons are justified. they want to make sure that our country is untouched - like its clean green image. IF someone wants to import live animals, you gots to pay for it. Discus wholesale for about $4 in South America. Then the importers buy them off the harvesters, and/or the breeders, and bring them here (that is the shortest possible chain - in reality the supply chain is longer). The retail here for about $150. The parity in price is not all a retail mark up - but is fairly indicative of the costs of quarantine - and that is after realising economies of scale and importing literally thousands of fish in a single shipment. It can take several years to recoup the intital costs associated. should i take the risk just have that courier without the permit and quarantine facility? hehe.. not a wise choice I guess lets assume, they do make it to your door step, which they will not. MAf would then pay you a visit, fine you for intentionally bypassing the system and confiscate and destroy the organisms. And that's just the start of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 sigh.. getting anything into this country is sooo hard.... yet we are not disease free.... oh well.. the big price for clean air i suppose Should I give up then....I still want my cherry shrimp Thanks everyone for the input though !! i have learnt a lot in the past 3 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 each time someone comes up with this idea of importing they end up giving up making your submission is just the first step this will probably be declined, but reasons for that will be given research will find the fallacy in the reasons and a better application put in the next time as has been said this can take awhile but it is not an impossibility especially if many hands and minds work on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piggyvir Posted November 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 ok - my christmas project then !!!! *expected failure* I am quite glad that I am into oranda rather than freshwater at the moment.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 not expected failure just a knock back being stubborn and tenacious are good traits to have once upon a time sailors were told they would fall off the world if they sailed too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have been looking through the quarantine requirement and this clause is so not fair !!!! Are you even thinking the consequences through at all?? :evil: This is not just the silly laws being all mean and making it sooo harrrd for the nice little hobbyists to get perfectly charming pets into the country! Think varroa mite. Think painted apple moth. Think old man's beard. Rats, mice, possums, ferrets, stoats, weasels. White butterfly, garden snails, on and on and on. Think every freaking weed and annoying pest. Almost all of them are exotics and the result of accidental importation or poorly researched intentional introduction. The weeds clogging our streams mostly came via ponds and aquariums. No matter how wonderful these shrimp might be, or how little risk *you* think they pose, you still have to go through the same process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1CK Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm sure some of your fish would love a bright red shrimp swimming round in their tank lol.......(please take it as a joke) you also forgot about diddymo I am quite glad that I am into oranda rather than freshwater at the moment.... but orandas are freshwater... Don't give up either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Are you even thinking the consequences through at all?? :evil: This is not just the silly laws being all mean and making it sooo harrrd for the nice little hobbyists to get perfectly charming pets into the country! Think varroa mite. Think painted apple moth. Think old man's beard. Rats, mice, possums, ferrets, stoats, weasels. White butterfly, garden snails, on and on and on. Think every freaking weed and annoying pest. Almost all of them are exotics and the result of accidental importation or poorly researched intentional introduction. The weeds clogging our streams mostly came via ponds and aquariums. No matter how wonderful these shrimp might be, or how little risk *you* think they pose, you still have to go through the same process. You forgot trout... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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