reef Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 1/you don't need a expert, could be a admin person who gets paid $40/hr, to check the fish number /invoices etc. will be big cost saving for mpi and tax payers. You bring up a very good point as many years ago fish did not get checked by vets, so due to mpi/biosecurity choosing to use this expensive channel should pay for it. But if they choose to use vets thats fine, MPI/tax payers covers the cost. Plus its not a large part of what mpi do, so time checking fish etc, is not that costly in the big picture for tax payers. 2/Random checks, no need to check every shipment. sea containers don't get all checked. 3/ or just check arrival shipments and do random release checks after QT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What they need is people who know about fish to do the inspections, they have the resources to identify diseases or fish. Most vets are experts on horses or something other than fish. Good luck with random inspections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What they need is people who know about fish to do the inspections, they have the resources to identify diseases or fish. You're thinking of MPI. Like MPI inspectors... IE the same people that do the exact some thing you said every day at every wharf and international airfield. And get paid pretty average wages to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 In the good ol days they were the people that did the inspections at the airport and at home and most ofthem are realy good on fruit flies etc but no good on fish. Now they use vets that are good on horses but not interested in fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah, um, so my dad was a inspector. Trust me when I say that they have plenty of people with a lot of knowledge about fish too. And reptiles, and birds, and anything else you can think of that people try to bring in. What I mean is, I think MPI definitely have the resources (and the right people) to be able inspect the fish themselves. And already on their payroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 They have access to the knowledge but they are not the people doing the inspections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What's that suppose to mean? That the inspectors don't know anything about what they're looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 That is what I mean. Who do you think released the genetically modified zebra danios or the kuhli loaches that were baby Asian eels. I have imported and had inspections carried out by those people and I can confirm that they did not know what they were looking for. In my case the took away perfectly healthy fish and destroyed them but would not take the diseased fish that had piscine TB because some idiot had mixed up the fish for testing. They were very skilled and well trained at normal border control work but admitted that they new nothing about fish. That is probably why they are now inspected by vets that are very good with horses. Their experts on diseases and fish identification were away in a laboratory somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 the extra costs probably relate to the time and data used to communicate with the scientists and lab equipment in the background that every thing is sent to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 At the moment the big costs seem to be getting fish tested for diseases. I have heard of fees in the order of $4000 for one fish. My point is that MPI need to have people that are aware of fish. They don't need to be experts at fish diseases or identifying fish as those people are already available to MPI. They need to have enough general knowledge to be able to tell a carp from a goldfish, that a genetically modified zebra danio that glows in black light is in fact genetically modified, that the faeces hanging from a fish is not cancer and that a kuhli loach with no barbels is not a loach. To know some of the signs of piscine tuberculosis would be handy as well since it is zoonotic. These are expert people but not trained to inspect fish and I would compare them somewhat to trying to find a vet in NZ that really knows about reptiles. I don't blame the staff, but the accountants for getting them to do jobs they are not trained adequately for, and for saving money by not training them. The reality is that in the end it will not save money but it will take a bloody great disaster before the powers that be wake up. What is new in the greatest wee country on the planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazyGeoff Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Dam, I may need to get an hour or so off 'work' According to the website (in the original post) the Nelson meeting is a food safety discussion NOT a biosecurity discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 What happened to these Asian eels and danios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 At the moment the big costs seem to be getting fish tested for diseases. not really. big issue is checking fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Some of the danios are still popping up but I think the eels have all been destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I suspect the quarantine of marine fish and freshwater may pose different problems. Location will also be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Benjanss - I believe all the tanks in the places of people who were discovered with them, not just the tanks they were in, had all the contents (fish and plants etc) destroyed. They are still around though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Down here with the danios they destroyed all danios only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Must have been the plants event I am thinking of then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 According to the website (in the original post) the Nelson meeting is a food safety discussion NOT a biosecurity discussion That is a shame, I have the day off now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 go and ask your questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Anyone go to the CHCH meeting yesterday? Wellington today?? Any feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Looks like Australia is have major fish price increase in freshwater, around 400% Looks like we will follow them soon. http://www.qldaf.com/forums/general-aqu ... ia-117581/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Pretty vague at the meeting i attended as to exact cost rises Has anyone drafted a submission to this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Some in the tropical fish sector have already asked for a extension to the submission date and also put the ball in the MPI court and ask them to How does this proposal affect our sector specifically? and how do they justify the costs increases especially given the hobby has been in recession. There are so many fees that effect importers and it is not just one fee. overall some of the fees have increased by over 350% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Additional charge when recalled to duty for the purpose of carrying out an activity on a public holiday $199.11 per day Person responsible for paying for the costs of the activity. - General inspectors and biosecurity advisors - $222.28 per day for each inspector or biosecurity advisor involved - Veterinary inspectors - $845.13 for each inspector involved The biggest change How often could the veterinary inspector be called out on a public holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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