livingart Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 you still getting some liquids into her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 yeah only giving her 3ml twice a day. not enough or she be rite? bath once a day for 5mins or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 her system will be using up some resources to produce those eggs maybe a bit more and some calcium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 cool will try that. dropped in a calcium dusted cricket today. eyes lit up but not alot else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 at least her eyes lit up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 did wonder if she thought yum, or oh crap not another threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 better (more consistant) colour today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 she just ate 4 crickets like theres no tomorrow :happy2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 fantastic news :happy2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaM Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 :happy1: Brilliant! Motherhood is obviously very stressful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 its as good sign for sure. shes basking now so thats good to. will be interesting to see how her system copes with/digests the crickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 you dusting some of those crickets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 yep heavily with repcal calcium (no d3) this is how it all went down was misting her, she was lapping water up off her nose. then walked around her water bowl upto some fresh salad, had a couple of attempts but withdrew about 5mm off food each time, i was thinking is her eye sight ok... thought id dust a cricket and drop in, soon as i did that she was off. after 3rd she was loosing interest/getting lazy, gave her another with legs off (easy to catch). left her to it, and she was basking straight after. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 you may be allowed that quietly confident feeling now well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Fantastic! I am so glad she is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 you might find that you are looking after them too well?fat deposits etc inside the abdomen blocking things up and inhibiting the passage of food and eggs etc?This can be a huge problem with bird breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Just gave her a bath and she passed a good firm brownie :lol: Maybe repto, i think it may of been a combination of things but :dunno: Will do things different in the future, pay more attention to the basics for one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 you might find that you are looking after them too well?fat deposits etc inside the abdomen blocking things up and inhibiting the passage of food and eggs etc?This can be a huge problem with bird breeding. that is so true i feel it affects fertility as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I've been following this thread and its good to hear things are improving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezza D Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 That's awesome news ID!! Yay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Thanks for all the positive comments. Especially big thanks to Livingart and Jennifer for your input She looks to be over the first hurdle or two now so thats great. Will be interesting to see how she goes over the next few weeks, especially so if she tries to produce another clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 i think keeping the calcium for her will help wonder if jennifer can recommend a good liver and kidney tonic fruit juices maybe, vit E, zinc, selenium, food like ginger, we feed grated apple as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Glad she has recovered a bit. It still is a bit of a guessing game as to the cause of her problems though. These guys can get excessively high calcium blood levels, D3 toxicity and fatty liver disease as a result of not eating (usually as a result of early kidney disease). It is all rather complicated. In general, I would say if you caught it early then even if she has some kind of organ failure you may be able to turn it around. The fact that she produced some urates is a good sign that her liver is able to produce uric acid and that her kidneys are working to excrete it. No doubt about it, husbandry plays an important role. These guys are used to getting lots of exercise and that is very important in preventing obesity which can predispose them to fatty liver disease. Aside from taking her to the vet for tests, my advice would be the following: 1. Aim to keep her well hydrated by baths and moist food. Weigh her daily with an accurate gram scale so you can determine if she is getting dehydrated (1 gram weigh loss = 1ml of water loss). 2. Feed a lower protein diet. This will be a challenge because you don't want to feed high fat and contribute to obesity however, protein metabolites are 'processed' by the kidneys and we want to minimise kidney insults so aim to feed only the highest quality protein such as pinkies, fuzzies or crews. If you do feed insects/worms, feed a very wide variety and avoid locusts as they are very high protein. Also, ensure your insects are newly molted and gut loaded with vegetables so that you get the most nutritional value and do not risk intestinal impaction from the hard exoskeletons. In general, aim to feed mostly young mice as these have the very best nutritional profile. 3. Ensure you feed around 20% vegetable matter including a variety of chopped vegetables and fruits (e.g. pumpkin, green beans, carrots, silver beet, parsley, dandelion berries and dark fleshy fruits). 4. Let her exercise as much as possible (yes, encourage her to go jogging) and do not let her go without eating for more than a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 my lizards dont appear fat imo easterns seem hard to get any weight on at times. infact i think lack of food especially good food may of been a factor in her not doing so well. pinkies i thought would be on the fatty side? exercise is a good point. large outdoor enclosures would be a good start. maybe more swimming although im skeptical about too much moisture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 don`t worry about what you think they look like.seeing them everyday you probably take a bit for granted without even realising it??all the books/internet I have read say growing lizards 80% protein 20% plant,mature lizards this is reversed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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