sharn Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Heads up guys, the 'powers that be' have decided no more straight leaf vallis at all, its far to hard for the goobers to tell apart from the other banned sorts so Americana is to be no more. Got a visit at work to let us know, apparently it was decided last night and they have yet to let any wholesalers know :roll: Twisted and Spirilis is still ok apparently. Break out the photoshop to remove it from any of your pics! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 that sucks. so what about s. subulata - can they tell them apart? what about s. microfolia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymox Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Oh well as long as the people here know whats up then its all good. I need some more plants kicking. But Il check with my adivsor livin art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 lol...quality of MAF staff must be slipping..is it due to the recession that they're hiring less qualified people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I saw some val for sale last last weekend, straight it looked like too. Does anyone know what risks FW non-native shrimp (such as Amanos and Cherrys) pose to NZ's eco system (waits for Stella to reply :lol: ). Or should I ask MAF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 they prove no risk. none at all. if by some freak of nature they do survive in the cold water ways, consider it a figment of your imagination. I wait for these guys to be available here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 That's what I thought about the Siamese fighters they destroyed at the border. Funny how my destroy them yet many of us keep them as pets... I can't imagine fighters surviving our regular temps let alone all year round. And even if they did, the natives would thrash them, they were fancy's I think. So I should ask MAF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 the fighters were more a problem for what they could have been harbouring, or what could have been in the water they were packed in. I know aussie with their much easier import restrictions has far more diseases than we have here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 (pokes tongue out at SamH) See, I *only* know about natives. I haven't a clue what species you are talking about! It is also illegal to bring in goldfish, because they can be indistinguishable from small koi, who are a noxious pest. There may be something similar with these plants. There can be many other reasons for not allowing in certain things other than posing a direct threat to our ecosystems. Twinkles mentions another: disease. I wonder how many people will complain about this change while being unaware of the native plants species that work well in tropical tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_shrimp and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caridina_multidentata (Cherry and Amano respectively) I knew you'd jump on the chance to talk natives Stella. So how well do the native FW shrimp do in 26C waters? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Actually I wasn't going to post there, then saw you mentioned my name :roll: Native shrimp can survive in tropical tanks, but they die sooner. Basically they have a high oxygen requirement. Warm water means less oxygen as well as their metabolism running higher so they need more oxygen. You condemn them to an early oxygen-deprived death... (native shrimp start as males and grow up to be females - only species that does this! Really, am not hijacking....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 So a high CO2 planted tank at 26 is a no go then? I wonder how MAF would react if I sent them an email asking why they won't let me have shrimp. I might send them one, just can't be bothered right now, it'd look all informal and misspelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsonMassif Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 So a high CO2 planted tank at 26 is a no go then? I wonder how MAF would react if I sent them an email asking why they won't let me have shrimp. I might send them one, just can't be bothered right now, it'd look all informal and misspelt. Keeping in mind that MAF regularly troll this, and other local forums, they no doubt have already read your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Keeping in mind that MAF regularly troll this, and other local forums, they no doubt have already read your post. Well good! Maybe they'll decide to research whether those shrimp should be allowed in the future! I want some too I'm more concerned about the val becoming illegal. I don't really know what my plants are called but i only got them from other fish keepers and the pet store so I really don't want be fined for having something that is banned yet i didn't knowingly go out and try to import it! That's what i think is a bit silly about these situations. The plants WAS legal and now isn't legal....but its already largely present in NZ!!! The average Joe won't be regularly checking MAF websites and trying to ID the plants that he just bought at a pet shop because he thought they looked nice! Punish the people knowingly importing the stuff not the general public. If MAF showed up at my door i'd happily let any of my plants be confiscated if their legality was recently changed...but it'd be pretty low if they fined me thousands of dollars! If you want to irradiate a species that has been decided to be a threat to NZ, you need to have public support...make them aware and WANT to help...not scare them into hiding their aquarium pics because they're afraid of getting in trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 There are two levels of prohibition on plants. The national level---like anacharis and the Regional level like straight val was in Auckland and Waikato. Generally you can keep but not propagate,commercially advertise or display, or sell. How you stop a healthy plant from propagating I have no idea. This does not apply of course to the plants that were smuggled and resulted in a visit to me and others after buying from trademe. Gold fish were prohibited from import after a disease was found on imported goldfish in Australia which could have been a threat to the native fish eating trout and salmon in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I emailed them and here's what I got: Hi Sam Please see the attached document for the process of adding a species tothe import health standard for ornamental fish and marine invertebrates. Species are not added to the import health standard without an initialrequest. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Kind regards Erin Maher | Animal Import Advisor | Animal Imports and Exports Group |MAF Biosecurity New Zealand Need to have a read through the document and request for them to be added, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simian Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Thats correct, this is what the FNZAS are here for, we are a lobby group (we have lost our way recently but are on the improve) I need to look into it more but I believe that it only costs about $50 to get a fish or invert considered but realisticly it holds more water when sent in from the FNZAS Fish Committee (its supposed to be what they do but no one approches them to do it or is willing to stump up the $$) It is something I want to get moving but as usual time is always short. Sam please forward me that email. I will be happy to help you out (especially if you are a member of a club ) owen(at)hennessydotcodotnz Cheers Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Maf don't do research to see if an organism is safe to import. You pay a heap of experts megabucks to come up with the information sufficient for maf to say yes or no. You file this info with your application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Maf don't do research to see if an organism is safe to import. You pay a heap of experts megabucks to come up with the information sufficient for maf to say yes or no. You file this info with your application. or a small team do the research themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Fowarded Simian. But from there, what are the costs of importing the actual shrimp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 They have changed their minds! Now we can sell what we have, but not order any more and the suppliers are not allowed to sell it to us any longer... Cant be too desperate to control it now can they :roll: Not sure about the legalities of trading privately and it sounds like MAF dont really know themselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I think they're doing their best, and it's good news that we can keep it. But it would be nice to have a straight answer from the start. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 straight and answer do not occur in their allowed associated words list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 :lol: That was brilliant LA! Truly excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 You may be asking the wrong people the right question. Are you sure it is nationally banned by maf (or locally banned by the Regional Council). You can hardly expect maf to know the inner workings of the Regional Council. They have enough trouble understanding their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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