phrog Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Like I said before, I understand where MAF is coming from but I think that what was once legal to import should remain that way or at least until there is plenty in the country for people to purchase at a decent price. I mean $1500.00 for a LG is quite alot for me. And they are desert animals that most likely won't stand a chance in the NZ wilderness due to natural environment conditions alone let alone cats and other predators. And whites tree frogs were actually introduced to NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 The leopards are that price by supply and demand but the price will come down as more are available. They are legal. The debate is still on over the whites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 there are plenty of reptiles that I would like but are not supposed to have,Does that mean I am an idiot??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsonMassif Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 there are plenty of reptiles that I would like but are not supposed to have,Does that mean I am an idiot??? I do not believe that was the intended implication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Not at all. I do however think that people who pay good momey for reptiles which they know to be ilegal are idiots when they complain about Maf destroying them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 If we had a permit system like AUZ does then we wouldnt have so many issues... If we had a list of what we could have again... less issues??? makes sense??? couple of days work could save many $$$$ and upset keepers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 i just had an idea, what about a registration system like cars. You pay each year to keep spmething exotic & when it dies you "surrender the plates" so to speak. that way they can track what is going on but now i have thought of the problems when they breed ........ & policing it ...... just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 If we had a permit system like AUZ does then we wouldnt have so many issues... If we had a list of what we could have again... less issues??? makes sense??? couple of days work could save many $$$$ and upset keepers... i swear i did not read this beofre i got my idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougstark Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 There is one point I havent seen mentioned and that is reptiles and amphibians kept at zoos. If the zoos have had them for a number of years presumably without any problem diseases and have had success breeding them , then maybe they should be allowed to sell them to the public, as long as they are not a realistic risk to our wildlife 0f course. Makes sense to me but I may be missing something. (I am not including natives in this group). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 i swear i did not read this beofre i got my idea HAHA this idea has been thrown arround many times before, it will never happen so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 the whole thing is big joke really.Things like chameleons that could not survive in the wild for any length of time,no way can`t have them,don`t even think about it.Water dragons can survive winter time by hibernation ,active and predatory,may even breed in a few select areas/microclimates???available for sale to any body with the money??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Blueys are banned by the Regional Council in Auckland and Waikato and others could follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Blueys are banned by the Regional Council in Auckland and Waikato and others could follow. have they been banned in the waikato? news to me??? however loritkeets have been banned in Waipa so why not i guess??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ask your Regional Council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 have you heard the one about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 have you heard the one about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted? then you are left with a big pile of what the horse left behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoticReptilesNZ Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 How aromatic Yup, we are all aware that there are many exotic species of reptiles in NZ that wouldn’t stand a chance of survival in the local environment, but MAF is going to want more than just the opinions of reptile enthusiasts… A technique that has gained a lot of credibility lately is bioclimatic modelling; essentially comparing a species' climate parameters that they encounter in their native range to an area of interest (in our case, NZ). Obviously it takes more than just a climate match to say that a species can establish somewhere, but climate is going to be a big factor, more so for reptiles than other types of animals. I have recently completed a bioclimatic model for red-eared sliders in NZ which is due out for publication soon. It shows most of NZ being climatically unsuitable for slider establishment, with a few marginally suitable areas in the Far North. It would be easy enough to run this type of predictive model with any other species that we want. If anyone is keen for more info, feel free to contact me. Also, for you Wellingtonians, you can see a blurb about my turtle stuff in today’s Dominion Post. Cheers, Heidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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