phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Got them today . any idea on what they are? fish 1 Fish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 No idea but they are gorgeous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Clown plec? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Thanks caryl I doubt they are clowns dixon. see the top fin. also the colour is off - no spots or anything. Im thinking its a >Peckoltia of some description. mouth does not look like a panaque wonder what they are. i am happy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Maybe a underwater shot will help? :roll: :lol: Considering most the photos of plecs on PC are of underwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zev Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Don't you dare enter one of those pics in POTM - I hate it when people hang onto their noses like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Don't you dare enter one of those pics in POTM - I hate it when people hang onto their noses like that! Now that sounds like a challange P44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 LOL. no i won't enter them in potm. i don't seem to win any ways, so i doubt these pics would get any votes ha haha here's some more pics demanding dixon LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 zoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zev Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I like the pattern on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 oops. he isn't supposed to be in this thread. I know what he is. king tiger pleco. now i have to wait for the pleco people to help me find out what really is. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Definitely not a clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Definitely not a clown yeah, definitely. now im thinking its one of these: L170 L103 L211 maybe even a candy stripe pleco its all very confusing :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamosfish Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Could be L002 Tiger "peckoltia" Are you able to get anothe head shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 lights were off so his colours are all weird but: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Yep maybe viewtopic.php?f=23&t=37400&hilit=leopard+frog Leopard Frog ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 i don't want them to be leopard frogs :lol: they are tooo common! :lol: but honestly the colours are totally different (as far as shade goes); the size of the bands on this fish are wider. then again, maybe it is. thanks for the help, keep it coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Like your King Tiger the stripes on the "leopard Frog"( no such fish) will widen and get less defined with age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatfish Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 It’s not a Peckoltia as it’s got the wrong tooth pattern, although it may have been called a tiger ‘Peckoltia’. It looks like its got spoon-shaped teeth. I agree with Jamosfish. It’s a dwarf Panaque (Panagolus) species, possibly L002 - apparently the most common of many similar looking ‘tiger pleco’ L-numbers in the hobby. No doubt once they are given scientific names, some new species will comprise more than one L-number. Have a look at L002/L074, L169, L206, L271, L306, L397, L398, L403. Some can be ruled out but not others. I've got some juveniles that were called L271's in the shops but I doubt they are that species. They look very similar, if not identical to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Exactly the point I wa trying to make Flatfish, The ID I gave is of an unknown fish with no L number. Getting a fish and looking for an ID off the net is fine as long as you are willing to come up with no definitive answers. Ruling out a fish based on how common it is or isn't is a waste of time unless you are thinking of becomming a plec importer in NZ it would seem. Flatfish - I was under the impression that the term panogolus had been dropped 4-5 yrs ago, losing favour with the wider scientific community who didn't pick up on the move from DATZ, and genus name has reverted to Panaque. Seems that this guy could be a number as Flatfish has listed. How many of those fish are known to have been brought in the last few years. the fish aren't juvi's so they may have been here for a few years. Based on the fact alone I'm surprised you passed over L226 , ('Changae', 'Iquitos tiger') as they were imported in numbers 3-5yrs ago as well as being bred here. http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/sp ... ies_id=761 Also Phoenix have a closer look at the way people are holding their plecs on the web. It is more of point of fore finger on top of head and behind eyes and thumb on abdomen behind the mouth. That is probably the most sensitive part of the fish so the mouth shouldn't be touched if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 No one has mentioned L051 http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/im ... ge_id=4806 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 trying to get a definitive answer on I.D. of some of these plecs must be nigh on impossible until you know the distinguishing features that set one from the other, teeth, scaling. buccal flaps, fin shapes or number of rays, colouration and patterning it is just an approxamation of what it may be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 so thoroughly confused. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 or confused thoroughly so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 trying to get a definitive answer on I.D. of some of these plecs must be nigh on impossible until you know the distinguishing features that set one from the other, teeth, scaling. buccal flaps, fin shapes or number of rays, colouration and patterning it is just an approxamation of what it may be :bounce: also add -adult size, clouration changes in fish during its development, potential stress colouration, locational varieties, variation in water quality, current vs filtration, and the very possibility that it made it to NZ as unidentified species and is therefore a good price for the importer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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