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Layton, Come on. Sometimes I just cannot believe you. To me, after Alexander Girz and maybe a couple others, it is the prettiest tank I've seen. If that did not catch your eye, then please post a pic of one that did, I just can't wait to see it.

You mean those things that dig little holes in the mud? If so there's millions of them. They spend all their time hiding though.

Don't worry we won't mention your little faux pas again We'll call it a "tester" :lol: . Anyhow, what do you think? Any parasites we'd need to hold water without a host more than 8 weeks for? I'm excluding parasitic arthropods because I've never heard of a case in a NZ reef tank anyway. Not worth bothering with.

Good one Chimera. A redundant pipe will certainly reduce chances to almost negligeable. You'd need some mechanism, such as gurgling noise, or whatever, to alert you if the redundant one actually came into use, so you'd know to go and fix the problem.

They will live in 1.020. I'm not sure where the cut off point is, but they will not live in 1.010. Not the Jansens ones anyway.

Pretty sure no, although you did not say what salinity you are going to. Rockpool shrimps likely OK For algae etc, I'd go with a phosphate removing resin.

I think you guys will kill me for this, but to me, that is the weakness in a durso. The fact that there is a restriction in it. I too have had an overflow caused by snail in pipe, my wife has still not forgiven me, and I now work on the principle if something might happen, it will, I have to design around it. If I did have a durso, I'd go for a restriction on the beginning end, which would have to be a lot smaller than the restriction down the pipe. Such as Steves cartridge.

I know there's a few guys here that just never go away :lol: Yes, it's true! That's a pretty good checklist combo. However Helifax, you don't have much livestock yet, I wouldn't get to worried this Christmas anyway. Might be able to pay some local kid to come & do top up or whatever once every few days.

IMO anyway, 3 weeks will sort most of the parasites, but not everything. According to some articles I read, the free swimming stage of ich irritans is only viable for around 18 hours, so it won't take long to deal to them. However the free swimming stage of marine velvet, can do a lot longer, usually around 7-10 days. But in one lab experiment a few of them were found to be still viable after 35 days. However, if a person was unlucky, and this would be more likely at night, there is a possibility that your water may contain an ich parasite that had only just dropped off a fish. In this case, it would encyst in the container, remain in that form for up to perhaps 2 weeks, and then start releasing free swimming ones to go looking for a fish to infect. So in my opinion anyway, for total safety, a period of 8 weeks is needed. This should be no problem, it's just logistics of having enough water containers to go the distance. There are also an assortment of other parasitical nasties, besides ich, including a tick type thing I have found on sprats around the Takapuna ramp, that attaches to the fish gills. However all the reading I've done I've never found any of these parasites that can go 8 weeks with no host. Doesn't mean there isn't, but for now I'm working on 8 weeks. If Layton can ferret out something that can do more than 8 weeks, ( not a fresh water tapeworm though :lol: ) I'll give him full respect for finding it & adjust my holding period accordingly. There was an article once about putting bleach in NSW. Unfortunately I can't find it now , however the thrust of it was you can actually put bleach in the water, it kills EVERYTHING, and then you run an airstone in it for a few days it blows off all the chlorine, and apparently the water is fine. That's the parasite side of things. As for the issue of plankton die off, etc, it's often spoken about, but IMO if you get clean water, it's a non issue. I've never been able to detect ammonia or whatever in NSW while in what is meant to be the time "danger zone".

It is not wrong. I said I have yet to be told of a saltwater fish parasite that can survive several months storage in water, with no host. This was not wrong. Indeed I have yet to be told of a saltwater fish parasite that can survive several months storage in water, with no host. And most certainly, you have no examples of which NZ tanks they have showed up in, after several months storage with no host.

The rest of us are. The thread is titled natural salt water. That's - Natural. Salt. Water. So that's why what you say does not apply to Natural Salt Water, you are "not talking about natural salt water". :lol: To re-focus on the origional point of dissent, I merely pointed out that I have yet to be told of a SALTwater fish parasite that can survive several months with no host. Don't see why there is a major problem with that.

Think what they say about computers. Garbage in, garbage out. And trying to say you are not talking about NZ, we are talking about fresh water, etc, well, I'll be kind and not say garbage, but, well, confusion perhaps induced by vodka. That's v.o.d.k.a.

Also, since you now claim you are NOT talking about parasites in NZ Are we to assume there is no further need to bother discussing it? Seeing as we are in NZ? I'm trying to figure what you are talking about. NZ/not NZ, fresh water/salt water. The issue appears rather confused to say the least. I thought we had the same parasites as overseas?

In other words, a wasted, or misinformed post. Had nothing to do with the subject, natural seawater. Have another whiskey It'll clear your head

Are we talking about sea water or not? You mentioned Proteocephalus spp. It is a FRESH water parasite. Just don't like to see this misinformation being spread.

yes you did

Yes, dottyback & clowns. That exact situation happened to me also when I was trying to get my clowns to move into the anemone. Once they finally did move in, the dottyback was not allowed too close. The anemone gives the clowns a tactical advantage, they can launch lightening strikes on another fish, and immediately retreat back into the safety of the anemone.

Yes I think you're right. Seems that, whiskey and all, you are a fountain of knowledge on parasites, although you forgot to answer my question, perhaps it was the vodka. Here it is again quote "I see. Special fish parasites that can survive months in storage by surviving on copepods and other zoo plankton. Please name these parasites, with examples of the local tanks they have showed up in, as we use NSW here. I'm always keen to learn something new." It's just that your remark here was intended to imply that these parasites are a problem to us using NSW in NZ, as that is what we are talking about. I'm a curious fellow, what are they?

Great. It's a bit like pulling teeth, but eventually the truth will out! I was under the misconception that you believed the myth that it depends on the life cycle and type of parasite. Wonder what ever made me think you believed that?

Using quotes will justify the splitting of hairs?

You're onto it. Very dubious and in fact based on pseudo science. like a lot of myths.

I see. Special fish parasites that can survive months in storage by surviving on copepods and other zoo plankton. Please name these parasites, with examples of the local tanks they have showed up in, as we use NSW here. I'm always keen to learn something new.

How are myths started? Interesting over the years to see them evolve on RC sometimes. They often start with someone with a particular view, who will argue black and blue that he is right. Most of the people can see the fallacy, but a percentage will follow, and a new myth is born. Sometimes they just start with one statement that "sounds right". This statement is then further embellished with each re-telling, and we have another myth. An example that springs to mind is the myth that zeovit rock will remove significant quantities of calcium from a tank. This myth apparently has many believers. But hey I don't want to get any zeovit bashers started :lol: That was just an example, there are many.

Myths? Well let me see.... One that springs to mind is the idea that there are "bad bacteria", special, particularly evil bacteria, that will ONLY be transmitted to aquariums that use the demon natural sea water. The reality is "bad bacteria" are everywhere. Another might be the idea that there are fish parasites that will last several months in a storage tank with no host.

Layton, those hairs you love to split. Perhaps you should put them in your single malt :lol: