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Not as big as this puppy though! First you stick fish, rock, & everything in, then, you figure out how to get it into place!

Well, who actually read it?

A FW dip will do little for white spot irritans, for the reasons given. A 5 minute FW dip will, however, do quite a bit for a fish with marine velvet, sometimes also called white spot. But a FW dip will not be 100% cure for velvet. So if placing a velvet infected fish in copper, rather than wait 3 days for the copper to start a useful effect during which the fish could easily die, (velvet kills quickly), a FW dip will give some immediate relief, and then place the fish in copper.

Agreed! Didn't really mean to get anyones feathers ruffled anyways. How about telling us a bit about that tank Reef? It's certainly one of the nicest I've seen.

Layton, think plankton. And dude, - move on. You may have the last word. ( For now )

OK Layton, that's fine. You just carry on. But just for anybody elses info, I stand by the dangerously low phosphate levels I gave, Layton is wrong. I am talking about a tank, not, as Layton claims, a reef. In a reef, neither of these extreme levels would ever be likely to eventuate in quick succesion, but even if they did, SPS corals on a wild reef derive Po4 from plankton they consume, which is not available in a tank. In a tank, a sudden drop in Po4, from 3.00, to 0.003, without supplementary feeding, is EXTREMELY likely to lead to TN. And Layton, go ahead. Get the last word. I cannot be bothered refuting every bit of crap I see written, I'll just say reader beware.

I'd dissagree with that absolutely. In fact the photo (if not doctored) is proof of wether you can keep your sps corals healthy or not. In fact you yourself have very often used photos to attempt to prove various ideas/theories. You have certainly been very ready to use pics of Pies tank to explain where you believe he is going wrong. But you claim a pic of your own tank will not prove anything? And, once you do get nice colorful SPS corals, I am sure you will waste no time in showing the pics, as "proof" you know what you are talking about. That's exactly what's going to happen, and that's why you're afraid to post a pic. People will look at your SPS corals, and then think "After everything this guy has been saying about SPS corals, RTN, rapid drop in nutrient levels, etc. His own SPS corals look like THAT?". Could be embarrassing. To be straight up, I've been hearing for a year or so that you forgot to take your camera this morning. And for too long I've been hearing that your tank is not quite up to your standards at the moment. To be honest Layton, i do believe that with your level of dedication to the hobby, you will eventually achieve SPS corals that you are not ashamed to let anyone see. But it is going to be a long hard process, if you concentrate on shooting everybody down, rather than learning stuff that will help you achieve your goal. After all your years in the hobby & you are still ashamed to let anyone see your SPS corals, is it not apparent that perhaps some of your own ideas might need changing? There are new players on this board who have started tanks and now can show nice SPS corals, and even growth shots, in less time than you have been cooking your rocks. All this arguing crap that goes on, for my part, i just find it so frustrating to see you posting information that will lead to problems/failure, to anyone who follows it. That's why I argue, just because you set yourself up as such an expert people who don't know better will be inclined to follow. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure you may have some nice corals of the easier types, such as LPS, or softies, why not show pics of them? I am sure no one will laugh. I've posted some cruddy pics myself and the good folks here were very appreciative anyway.

Let's know how it goes

True. Hanna have no idea how their meter works, and nor do I. But you of course, do. As with everything. You can have the last words......

Hi rona207. There are just so many things that could be a factor here that on the information given it is just not possible to say. However a temperature spike, particularly to over 80, can be associated with a white spot outbreak. If temperature spike is an issue, more is to come we are hardly into summer yet. It should be dealt with. A simple fan from the warehouse pointed at the water surface can do wonders.

Interesting....

Heck dude which one are you referring too? I can't be bothered going over all of them, if I think they are obvious enough to the other readers I just let them be.

Here's an interesting piece http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4229 Do click the article referenced in the first post. It is all quite advanced and is not for everybody, nor is it nessecary to have a thorough understanding of all this stuff. But for the boffins among us, with some spare time, it is a very interesting read. Enjoy!

What happened to the big ones?

Well raeh1 they are truely one of the hardest fish to catch. Only way I've ever done it was remove every rock in the tank. However, the baitcatcher may be an idea, these fish are curious and like to squeeze into every little nook, so it just may work.

:lol: :lol: He's one scary guy in the kitchen with that razor sharp chefs knife!

It's the lowest form of wit.

However - getting back to the whitespot, people see it come and go. But I guess you have to loose fish before taking it seriously. My own plan is I have a bottle of Stop Parasite on the shelf, if things did get bad, I would use it. The leave it alone approach can be the best thing sometimes, but others have lost fish taking this advice. So - it's a judgement call. But now we have Stop Parasite, it is a heckuva lot easier to treat in the tank than it used to be.

Just proving you can't do maths.

Send me some water, and show me your tank. If the reality matches the hype, you just may be able to open my mind! But in the mean time, I'll go with my hanna. In the US and in Europe it is regarded as the finest phosphate testing device available to the hobby, and that has certainly been my experience. ( As a guy who actually has experience )

Helifax, while your tank is new, the ideal way to deal with it, if it's the only one, would be to remove the rock and pour some boiling water on it. When removing the rock, make sure you know exactly where it is, it will shrivel right up and be surprisingly hard to see. Then dribble boiling water on it from the kitchen jug, for about 30 seconds. Don't get boiling water all over the rock though it will kill bacteria etc. hold the rock at an angle where you can get water where the anemone is and not much else. If there's more than one aptaisia, or the rock is too hard to remove, don't bother with this, buy some Joes Juice, it's great stuff. But do aim for 100% eradication of aptaisia. That's what I've done and it is a comfortable feeling. Some people like Cookie Extreme deliberately keep aptaisia, but he has been around a long time and knows what he is doing, and he has his reasons.

You got that one right. Not going to either. I've played your games of answer 20 silly questions before. It always goes nowhere. If it was someone with an open mind, I'd happily discuss, but with you, I'm wasting bandwidth.

What do I think? I think some people would rather say anything than send a water sample! C'mon Layton, lets see if the reality matches the hype! There has been a lot of hype.

Too late. I understood that while you were still in nappies! :lol:

just send the water