I assume you are referring to me with that last little comment - and the answer is fairly simple - they were freely available at the time, and I wasn't interested in gearing up to breed plecs, especially when the vast majority of fish keepers did and still do grizzle about having to actually pay a reasonable price for captive bred stock. That situation might change now that wild caught fish aren't available - hopefully people who want the plecs will actually be willing to pay the costs of maintaining breeding programmes by paying the breeders a reasonable price for their stock and efforts. Maybe you should contact the guy I sold the parents to and see how his efforts are going (he is reasonably successful with his plec breeding efforts), or else stop whinging and get on with breeding some yourself, if you can.