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there's the GST issue gone if you sell enough

so your saying it doesn't happen or you don't know?

i would be seeking a better rate of auction fees if i was a business selling on TM due to volume of use as it is no different to trade rates elsewhere, the more you buy/use the better the price structure you get. I wonder if that happens.

for anyone outside auckland it's $40 if you order one bucket, around $110 if you order two. And that's with paying a massive amount for freight.

why would i, am i supposed to tell every business that there goods are more than anothers when i find them? you tell them if you think it's so important but if they don't already realize this i will be well surprised. i am shopping, i know what i want usually as i have done the research and look for the best deal. When i find the best deal, which isn't always the cheapest i buy it. I don't go back to the other potential suppliers to tell them they are ............. better things to do

i hope that something changes in the importers/wholesalers side of things so that the local shops can offer well priced items and it will be a waste of time importing. I wonder how it will go in the future, will it get to a point where the local retailers become less and the importers/wholesalers have few customers and turnover or will the importers catch on early, see the hurt that importing items is so much cheaper and popular that to protect their market they start finding ways or reducing margins to keep the local customers using the local stores rather than importing.

so stay out of it, the people in this discussion clearly disagree by participation. we know your against it, that's your opinion and that's fine but you don't have to read what is posted.

this is an interesting discussion that i think needs to be had. at the end of the day it won't change anything so i'm not going to bother. I'm not really interested in at what point or why the costs are excessive, the reality is they are. Again, if the prices are reduced to be comparable to what it costs me to get it from the US, which includes the freights costs then i will buy from HFF. If not i won't as it is no harder to order from the US, i just takes a few more days to get here.

Warren, can you split this into another thread so we don't go against caryls request? how much do the permits cost? surely they aren't enough to increase a US retail price of $50USD to $128USD ($156NZD) here. I don't think this thread is saying HFF are ripping us off is it? i thought it read as the price of NLS being over the top but not directly blaming HFF. Personally I don't think that HFF are the cause of such an enormous price in comparison to the US prices, my pick is the wholesale rates they are given but where ever it happens it is. But at the end of the day, whoever took on the supply of NLS or any other product for that matter, will struggle to move the goods if the rates are too high especially with the ease of purchase from other countries the internet gives us. in any retail situation, most of the customers will be after sensible pricing in comparison. What ever the cause it is consistent with most imported products. Everything i buy i check the price overseas if i can and everything except teng tools is so much cheaper overseas. maybe as consumers move toward buying from overseas due to price variation, they will review their markups. here's hoping anyway.

nice work, well done. welcome also.

my initial thought was stuartgranti of some sort

they are midgets :slfg: i like it but would try adding some plants or fake plants to add a little green to break up the background colour.

hi and welcome

i buy two buckets at a time. From the US it costs me around $220 delivered to my door for TWO BUCKETS. That will cost around $330 to buy locally. I am buying the buckets at retail pricing, paying tax in the US and having them delivered half way round the world. tell me again i should buy local?? i will buy local, when the locals can offer competitive pricing.

what does this mean, does HFF own the federationor had teh federation vowed to protect them at all costs? ahahahah what are you thinking, my costs???? i am the consumer not seller??? i buy the NLS from a business just like HFF but with an accent!!!!! what do you mean sure? i have three empty buckets that i have bought and used. You can buy it yourself with a few clicks of a button and a credit card just like on HFF site. it's called retail competition. look at it this way, because of where i am i buy off websites. I can order from one website and it will cost me $130 for a bucket delivered. I can order it from another website (HFF) and it costs me near $170 delivered, pretty easy choice IMO. In this age of the interweb local or nearest retailer does not always mean geographically and it is also very easy to find the best deals. If HFF can get there prices near what we can get if elsewhere i will buy from them, until then i won't. Another thought, if the source i get it from were to donate to this site and advertise here would that be ok. Or if another retailer in NZ got a good supply price and could offer the buckets for $130, would that be ok for them to advertise that or is it just HFF who have the rights here?

i totally realise the bigger picture and i am well aware of what they supply as i have bought plenty from them in the past. So why would it matter that we buy NLS from an offshore supplier as HFF supply so much more than that? it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't available here. They have taken on the supply but cannot supply at a price that competes with alternative suppliers so why should we not use more cost effective options and why should others not now about that? as i have said before, i am all for local business but at double the price you are not thinking straight. this forum is not the federations views, it's ours so i cannot see how the federation is slapping them in the face. this is a forum and that generates different views, opinions and ways of doing things to be shared, what's the problem? there will always be different opinions on this, that is reality. exactly, i don't but the business i bought it from does and i paid a sales tax in the US to. The stuff doesn't magically get downloaded through some computer program, the order needs to be processed, packed and shipped. The stock needs to be ordered, received, unpacked......... i bought it from a business! as above i have bought plenty of items from them, heaters, bubble filters, a lot of NLS and some light tubes i think. This is not about HFF and they way they operate and i'm sure if you read previous posts then you'll see i have given my view that it's not their fault that the price of it is what it is. I'm not really interested in why, who or where the big markups are coming in but i can source it significantly cheaper elsewhere so i do so as that is my choice and my money. If the prices here were similar i wouldn't bother importing it.

those are your feelings and there are plenty of us that have different feelings. what is wrong with discussing it openly? your feelings could lead to price fixing, is that what you want? If i was HFF i would take what information i could to improve my store and there is plenty here for them with regard to NLS. I would be seeking cheaper sources of NLS if i was them so they can offer a better priced product so we can spend our money with them because that is the only issue, high pricing. This is basic retail competition, just one of the players in not in the same country and fortunately for the consumer is easily used. Pet stores on the same street have differing prices for items, what is the difference? We simply pay to much for imported goods in NZ and we have found a way to save money, i still can't see why it should be our "dirty little secret".

hi and welcome

the info i just found says the US has a Sales tax of anywhere from 1 to 16% depending on item and state.

nah just what ever taxs the US has on theirs

i'm sure it's the wholesalers prices that are the issue but what ever the case it will never make sense to me to spend almost double to "buy local". You can't seriously think it's better to pay $200 for one bucket or $220 for two?

:rotf: what a way to try to make it sound the same price 1c/g x 2270=....... i would happily buy it from HFF again ( i bought a lot through them before) if the prices were similar but they really aren't. their dramatic increases forced me to seek alternative sources and that turned out great. I don't think it's HFF's fault, i think they are getting high wholesale prices and they do need to make a profit but i can't justify spending an extra $35 to $55 per bucket.

yeah makes it worthwhile

yeah just depends on how much coin you want to shell out. $110 buckets are a good price.

i think it's $400 but not sure. I know it's that for car parts so figure it'll be the same. No problem with the freight charge, the retail price is $50USD there. Here almost $160.