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cool great choice, Don't rule out the tangs though.

that could be the secret to our native bird worries :rotf:

awesome, thanks for sharing.

there is a loctite product for that i think, i used it years ago for sticking cabinetry handles to mirrored cabinet doors and it worked. http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products.shtml

this quote from an article 20/7/2010. According to that it seems you can shoot the white swans as well in some areas i expect. Each game area can have differing rules. http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/ne ... r-farmhand

there's a big difference between protected and absolute protection. Protected means you can shoot them in season, absolute protection means no hunting. i thought they changed the rules a couple years ago to you being allowed to hunt white swans, i thought they are protected the same as black swans, duck & pukeko

welcome. what fish are you keeping?

i with both of you, being cruel to any animal for pleasure is just wrong whether they are a pest or not. The organised culls are a far better way to reduce their numbers.

if you want to "over engineer" it just make the uprights double studs (2 70x45) screwed together. cross bracing will be the most important factor of it to stop it twisting or racking. It will take plenty of framing though, what's your budget for materials?

i don't see why not. I would put the studs at 400mm crs front and back and plenty of bracing. I built my 2.0m stand out of it, it's plenty strong enough.

trouble they are! my mate stacked his car years ago doing a sneaky perv out the corner of his eye with his GF in the car, was so funny to be a part of.

i have had great success "overstocking" africans but i wouldn't do that without at least around 700lph for that tank. personally i would keep more in there but if you start with that then you can add or remove as you feel confident.

go for both yellows and dems. I'd go with 12 dems and 6 to 8 yellows, think that should be good but as time goes on you can add or remove to suit. what filtration you got?

if you go julies &/or shellies i don't see why you couldn't have a colony of e yellows as well to use the upper level of the tank.

and in other news some genius wants to ban auto cars to save petrol. That certainly will save fuel in a big way because most cars are made with auto transmissions so we will have to start using bikes as there won't be enough cars for us. he also based his story on a 1L per 100 difference between manual and auto but i looked at corolla, i30, civic & cruze petrol cars and the largest difference per 100 is 0.5L. Is it "Let someone special make the news" month?

so you mean they capture strays, neuter them & let them go where they were captured? Doesn't sound like the right thing to do to me but i'm sure that someone with a degree thinks that the correct thing to do.

yes owners but dogs get excited and loose control to or the kids do something that any dog would bite for. i agree with you to a degree but it is impossible to regulate everything and apply it so that regulation happens.

yeah agree, it's a tough one but i think dog controls are there to protect humans due to the amount and seriousness of attacks rather than property, how many kids were in the news last year after being savaged by dogs so dog control makes sense to me.

you missed the part about garef being a muppet controls on cats would be good more from an urban nuisance prespective but will not help native birds in any measurable context i don't think.

Garef has made an extreme point that only makes himself look like an idiot IMO and he has backed that up in buying the nix. What he has stated is we need to reduce domestic cat ownership to stop them killing native birds but that will likely be the least effective way of actually increasing numbers of native birds which i assume is the goal. I do look at it from a neutral perspective, i would love to see cats being neutered as part of a control of un-wanted kittens which is what the SPCA does on a daily basis. I am a keen hunter by choice and get rid of as many possums, feral goats and rabbits as i can. Reducing cat numbers i'm sure will help lizard numbers but that is a topic for another thread. I have neutered cats, if that makes me a responsible cat owner then great but that is where it stops. My cats roam a little but that is reduced by my own and my neighbours dogs that terrorise them when they venture out. I don't think i am being unfairly attacked at all, this thread is simply an example of most threads that are of a topic that has factual and emotional input and they can go on forever with a little effort. It's a good debate at times with valid factual & emotional points from both sides through out but no matter who "wins" it will count for very little to the majority i think. we have our own opinions which is all good.

yes neutering will help, i would not own an UN-neutered cat and totally agree with that being the law. What Garef has stated has nothing to do with that, everything i have read about what he has said he just wants domestic cat numbers reduced and it has nothing to do with feral cats.

the fact that the majority of domestic cats are in urban areas and the majority of native birds are in rural areas. Pretty hard for a cat to catch a bird that is 20km away. It's more of an emotional topic than anything. If people want more native birds around, stop wasting time concentrating on domestic cats. put their efforts into something useful & target the real threats to them, feral cats, possums, stoats, ferrets, weasels, introduced birds etc. Once they are eradicated then look into small threats like domestic cats, roads, forestry clearing etc. From all of this discussion about the only useful information that has come out is that cats are a real problem for people that put up poly houses to grow plants that don't naturally do well here.

IMO domestic cats are the least of the problems native birds face, habitat loss and other predators like ferrets, stoats, weasles etc that are in rural areas must be more of a threat. yeah i agree with that but i still have not seen any hard evidence that shows the domestic cats are responsible for any more than a very small percentage of native bird deaths. I say a small percentage simply because cats must catch some native birds but the facts about exactly how many will never be obtained. The figures being thrown around are simply assumptions or calculated guesses. There are so many factors for each cat, for example i know my cats do not leave one side of our property simply because there are 3 large free roaming dogs on one side of our property and they love chasing cats so they avoid that area totally. Feral cats need to be killed, the domestic ones i don't think can possibly be a much of an issue to native birds as most dog lovers make out. this thread has become more about the freedom of cats than the actual topic of them killing native birds. I think we need to have some consideration of others pets and for those that have stated they are with in their rights to kill someone else's cat if it comes onto their property, do it if you wish but it is a two way street and pay back will happen at some point. You may think you have your dog contained all the time but there will be a point that it will get out and i hope the same rules or attitude is applied to your dog.

seems to defeat the purpose of having cats as companions and to catch rodents i think, that just makes them into another critter locked up for our amusement.

and so becomes like their natural wild environment?