Sophia Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 10 is still great, and if you're going to sell them later they will have paid for their parents :sage: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yes definitely! But I would have been happier if I had raised a few more though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 There's only about 10 now Next time I will make sure that I have some live food ready for them. Joe, my latest spawning only ended with 3 free swimmers! :dunno: So 10 is not so bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Sorry guys but this project is going to be terminated because I need to get on to breeding the Green Neons because they need to be bred when they're quite young. I can always come back to the trifasciata, and if I sell the agassizii then I'll have room in the main tank to breed the tri's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 where are the fish going? into the terracotta pot tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 will you still get some fry if there are some hiding places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 and did you ask the club breeding co-ordinator to count the 10 after 30 days free swimming so they could be registered? Or have they not reached that age yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 holy megaphotos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 There aren't 10 left. I haven't even seen one for a few days now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well change of plans, the fish are staying in the 140L. And because there's no fry left I've moved the male and the other female back in too I have also put the other Ehiem 2213 onto this tank since I've only got 6 fish left in the other tank, and the Green Neons and Reed Tetras are loving all of the extra flow! I'm getting two new breeding tanks, so this is going to become my main tank. I'm going to plant it with Indian fern but it will still have all the tannins and I will still put oak leaves in. I might need to add more substrate if I am going to grow plants though because it isn't very deep. I might also grow some Echinodorus and some Java fern and Crypts but I'm not sure yet. Once I get the new tanks and some live food cultures and other bits 'n bobs I will attempt to breed the Neons. Also the breeding tanks will be ideal for the trifasciata because once I've finished with the Neons, I can put a female in each tank and put the male in with one female, and then do the same with the next female, and then the male can got back in the 140L. Then I can have two lots of trifasciata fry going at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 lol you really need to re-size your photos, I read this entire thread on my phone and it just chewed through the data :tears: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Before the forum broke down there was an auto-resizing thingy and they automatically resized, and I posted most of them before the forum broke down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 auto-resized photos still take a long time to load on less than optimum internet connections. It isn't your fault it does that, just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 How often do you change your oak leaves? Or do you just leave them in there till they decay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I used to leave mine till they broke down into little bits. If they don't get disturbed they can stay intact for a few months. I used to float a new one on the top every now and again and then there was a continual sinking of new ones over old ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I left them for about a month and then replaced them. I removed the second lot and I haven't put any back in since, because the piece of wood puts tannins in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 for a true amazon biotope is there any south american plants that you can use the leaves off safely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Thanks for the advice guys, still not 100% sure if I want to use them or not, might be better to just use some fresh driftwood for the tannins. Are tannins even necessary for apistogramma trifasciata to breed succesfully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbird73 Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Mine bred in my community tank. I have a very small piece of driftwood (more like twigs) in there and a coconut cave, no tannin staining of my water. I haven't checked the pH recently but guessing its around the 6.8 ish mark. So, no I don't think tannins are absolutely necessary if all you want to do is breed them rather than have a biotype arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Tannins and soft water are not necessary for trifasciata to breed. Soft water is necessary for fish like A. agassizii and macmasteri. And you don't need tannins to have soft water either. One of my two pairs of trifasciata that I bought last year when they were imported again spawned in water with a pH of around 8 I didn't even realize that this had happened. I saw a cloud of about 30 fry swimming around one day, gaurded by the two parents. And this was in a community tank with other Apistos and fish. There aren't any South American plants that you can use leaves off that are available in NZ to my knowledge. I don't even know the names of the plants that grow in South America, and I highly doubt that any could be grown in NZ because they are rainforest plants. And biosecurity wouldn't even allow them into NZ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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