henward Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10659519 lesson is, dont sell snakes in nz!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos & Siran Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 He got off pretty lightly really, 3 months out of a potential 5 years..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdspider Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 His offer on a website for tropical fish enthusiasts.... Was that here? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Was that here? :lol: That is what I was thinking but I could not find a thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Not that I recall. There have been links in the past to sites overseas selling all sorts that were obviously scams. They claimed they were available in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 i doubt a person would make a public thread lol he seems like a dumb one though. i mean, who would buy a snake while visiting a country for fun? what an idiot its like going to fiji for a holiday and buying a dog wile you are there....then trying to bring it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Wasn't on here. I am sure I would have noticed someone selling snakes! He got off lightly. I am wondering though when he said he couldn't bring himself to kill them and didn't want to set them free because that would be stupid. What did he think selling illegal species on the Internet was - savvy marketing?? :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 its like going to fiji for a holiday and buying a dog wile you are there....then trying to bring it back. lolololololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 yes, i believe he did believe that:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcs Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Bloody shame we cant get snakes Or the huge list of cool reptiles we arent allowed either. I hate MAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 i prefer NZ the way it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Bloody shame we cant get snakes Or the huge list of cool reptiles we arent allowed either. I hate MAF. I think MAF do a good job. I would hate to see lots of snakes released like ferrets, cats and possums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 I think the main concern here is the fact that he got them into the country so easily. The method he used was a non sophisticated one so I would hate to see what other sophisticated smugglers would be capable of bringing in!. The fact that he got caught was great but imagine the animal had been released into the wild, was pregnant and able to tolerate the NZ climate.... I think security needs to be reviewed in the wake of this incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think the main concern here is the fact that he got them into the country so easily. The method he used was a non sophisticated one so I would hate to see what other sophisticated smugglers would be capable of bringing in!. The fact that he got caught was great but imagine the animal had been released into the wild, was pregnant and able to tolerate the NZ climate.... I think security needs to be reviewed in the wake of this incident. I totally agree. This has to be a wakeup call for boarder security, but maybe they never thought anyone would be that bold or that stupid. Love the fathers comment too "I cant understand it" taking about why his son got sent to prison, easy to see where the son gets his brains from eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 says a lot for border security, got them in then only got caught because he advertised them for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 its like going to fiji for a holiday and buying a dog wile you are there....then trying to bring it back. Maybe fijian dogs taste different Hans whats his face...yes I know not HaNs...only got caught cause he put a gecko in a sock in his case ther others ...in his undies..only got picked up cause of the one in his bag stupid is as stupid does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I think MAF do a good job. I would hate to see lots of snakes released like ferrets, cats and possums The differernce is that its highly unlikely tropical reptiles would even survive let alone breed here. Eggs need a constant 20-25C while burried in the ground, how likely is that to happen here? IMO its a disgrace that in the eyes of the law an offence like this is treated far more seriously than more common crimes like drink driving, tagging, even burglary. I'd love to see drink drivers do 3 months in the big house for a first offence... :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 David, i must agree you get people commiting horrible se xual assault - and they get a warning or probation.... and few months. and bringin in a snake, which will probably die because it will never metabolise food... and a guy goes to jail for 3 months, up to 5 years. child molestors get out in less than 5 years at times..... a snake requires constant heat to incubate eggs. we know that from breedng BD and Water dragons. drunk drivers kill many more and waste more of our money a year in this country yet they can have 15 convictions before they see bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 drink drivers won't kill off the entire human race but one snake or its parasites/diseases in the wrong place could wipe out an entire species in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 yeah - i can understand that. beardeds, water dragons, all exotic non native reptiles could carry the same disease. that is not why they believe snakes shouldnt come in. its cos they kill birds. dont get me wrong, this is just for arguaments sake:D really, if you want snakes so bad. move overseas! so you jsut deal with it:D im just putting more wood in the fire! 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 drink drivers won't kill off the entire human race but one snake or its parasites/diseases in the wrong place could wipe out an entire species in this country No but a drunk driver could kill off your entire family, and I think we all know which one is more likely. It still seems remarkably unjust considering the things other criminals can get away with before being locked up, my ex-bosses camper van was broken into by a kid of similar age with a huge string of convictions for similar burglary and stolen goods offences, and all he got was a few hours community service and had to pay reparation (which he has paid less than 1/4 of over 3 years).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcs Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 its not just snakes, would rather be able to have Iggys and chameleons but noooo not allowed. Dont see how they are much different to Beardies or Blueys tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdspider Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 its not just snakes, would rather be able to have Iggys and chameleons but noooo not allowed. Dont see how they are much different to Beardies or Blueys tbh Maybe you should open your mind a bit and look at the bigger picture, not just "I want this, I can't have it, therefore I hate those that don't let me have it, me me me I want" Reminds me of my flatmates 2year old :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 its not just snakes, would rather be able to have Iggys and chameleons but noooo not allowed. Dont see how they are much different to Beardies or Blueys tbh There is one way to get them here. You could get a doctorate and have the same qualification as them. Then you could get a job with MAF. You could then work your way up through the organisation. You would see what goes on and the reason that rules are in place. Then when you get to be one of the rule makers you would be able to give good reasons why they should not be aloud in the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broms2 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 I agree with all sides of this discussion but do believe sometimes the law makers set the wrong time for the wrong crime, if it was a frog or iguana would he get prison? we wrongly have a thing about snakes, considering even the zoo's can't have them, they are no different to any other reptile, he should have got a fine and a suspended sentence, they should sort out the people killing raping and stealing who do seem to get of easily. at least he might learn something while being in prison - like how to be a "real" criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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