Myah Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Am building a tank to the above size and was wanting to know what size canister filter I would need, or if I decide to have a go at making a sump, what size return water pump would be needed? The sump would sit under the tank. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Am building a tank to the above size and was wanting to know what size canister filter I would need, or if I decide to have a go at making a sump, what size return water pump would be needed? The sump would sit under the tank. thanks I've heard there are CF2200 cannister filters, If you can find some I'd go with a pair of those. For the return from the sump, it depends a lot. I had a Laguna PJ7000 which is, iirc 6000 liters per hour on the sump on my 300 liter tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Maybe a Jebo 819? I've heard they are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32GOTMLK Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 id get 2 fx5's ive got 2 on my 810L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEKA Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Can you still buy Laguna pumps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I've heard there are CF2200 cannister filters, If you can find some I'd go with a pair of those. i run o pair of those om a slightly bigger tank, water is clear and no probs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Maybe a Jebo 819? I've heard they are good. i run a cf2200 and a jebo 819 on my 5fter. forget about the 819 wont be much good on its own cf2200 (or two of as suggested) would work awesome try petmart.co.nz they have them cheap and with discounted postage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Online sites like that are cheaper because they don't deal in livestock (which is really what this hobby is all about), how about supporting your local LFS so when the time comes to buy some fish they're actually still in business.... The ideal filtration for your set up depends on what you're putting in the tank. Canisters would be better for a planted tank as there is less disturbance of the water, sump would be better for a heavily stocked set up as you can get a higher turn over and more bio media for a cheaper price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 A Jebo 819 which filters 1200L/h won't be good on a 750L tank? Really? i run a cf2200 and a jebo 819 on my 5fter. forget about the 819 wont be much good on its own cf2200 (or two of as suggested) would work awesome try petmart.co.nz they have them cheap and with discounted postage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 A Jebo 819 which filters 1200L/h won't be good on a 750L tank? Really? It will be fine if you run 2-3 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 My Jebo 819 copes well on my 280L. I would run two of them on anything bigger though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 But whats going in the tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myah Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 hi people, thanks for all the ideas. The tank will hold, 6 x clown loaches ranging in size from approx 8cm to 15cm, 4 x striata loaches, 2x albino cory, a group of emperor tetra, group of platties, group of swortails and my unidentified cichlid (approx 5cm). The plants are mainly ambulia, java moss and an assortment of others that I don't know the names of. Not really planning on getting more fish, the tank is basically for the loaches to have more room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 You could always get more loaches! If the loaches are your main interest then I'd recommend a sump over a canister. You'll be able to get a strong flow from end to end, and the turbulence will help oxygenate the water. Have you got the tank already or will you be getting it made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Sump in that case, should end up cheaper also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myah Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I have bought the glass and am going to put it together myself. I made up a 1200 x 600 x 600 for the loaches when I first got them nearly 3 years ago and like the challenge of trying to build another one. More loaches? hmmmmmmmmmmm I have a spare 200ltr tank, would that be big enough to make a sump out of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I have bought the glass and am going to put it together myself. I made up a 1200 x 600 x 600 for the loaches when I first got them nearly 3 years ago and like the challenge of trying to build another one. More loaches? hmmmmmmmmmmm I have a spare 200ltr tank, would that be big enough to make a sump out of? I have a tank that is about the same size as yours and my sump is made from a 200L tank. Better and cheaper than 2 canister filters in my opinion. The sump is also a great place to hide heaters etc and could also double as a fry rearing tank if you design it right. I am using an 8000 lph pond pump in mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Better and cheaper than 2 canister filters in my opinion. +1 get glass drilled for an overflow before assembly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ^ agree, drill it first. You're a lot braver than I am making a tank that big!! The 200L tank will make a good sump, what are the dimensions? You'll need to add a tower for the bio media and for the mechanical filtration, and maybe make some sort of baffle for submerged media depending on how much room the pump(s) and heaters will take up. Here's a pic of how mine is set up; http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/ ... /Sump2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Here is a pic of mine, It's the same design as David's. Ideally it should have more bio balls and less noodles but it works well. The shells were added as a buffering agent as I have very soft water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myah Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Cool pics, I was looking at a sump on one of the websites that I'd googled and it had 4 partitions for filterwool, bioballs etc and the larger space at the end for the pump. Is it better to have the heater in the sumptank or main tank. Think I got my spare tank litre-age wrong. The tank is 600l x 500h x 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 i keep one heater in the tank and one in the sump just in case the sump pump packs up then tank is still heated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hi I have 124 tanks that are all under gravel filters...All averaging 250 L many are 300 L Not a power filter is used any where..WHY you will ask.. Because what what was used before Marketing Claimed they were better.. Well rubbish..Just a modern way of taking $ of Ya... Also another way to get sparks up your back side..People have DIED from heaters and Power Heads/Filters. The base of any tank is usually far greater in area that a power filter that you would use.. A sump is just become the same thing.. At say 50mm deep substrate then its thousands of times greater area and runs off simple air pump that has no water contact.. Facts is its where bacteria can live..Larger the bigger the filteration.......Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Very good point Phil I imagine this works very well for your tanks but in someones display tank, maybe not so well. If they would like a decent amount plants then an undergravel filter isn't suitable. The plant's roots will impair the filter's effectiveness over time, possibley even stopping it all together. If the filter is air driven, then that's even worse because plants thrive on CO2. What may work for some, won't work for others. You have to assess these kinds of things on a case by case basis. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 not to mention all those dead spots that are created. I had so many people over the past 4 years complain about tank disasters, as the ammonia spiked. when technology changes, I embrace it. The surface area on the media of todays "technology" is absolutely massive, and would dwarf the available surface area on a tanks base. There are no two ways about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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