twinkles Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 i'd say thats exactly what it is, and probably killed quicker than some fishermen do. Now a big enclosure of fishing cats with a river of fish would be cool, when you getting some livingart? :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 this is what this forum is for, discussing what we think about things if i had fish that required feeder fish i would feed them but certainly wouldn't enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 i want to get a big fish, so i can feed the occasional deformed guppy to it. I'm too much of a pussy to kill them and i don't want to end up with 10 tanks of mutant guppies, it seems like the best thing to do with them. Only i haven't got a big tank for my big fish yet, so still working on the idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 oh my gosh! I can only presume (and hope) that the fish was dead in the first place. A fishermans catch perhaps. Why else would it be in the bath.. if it were someones pet and they were cleaning the tank.. I'm sure they wouldn't stand there taking photos. My sisters Bengals love water and jump in the bath too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majik Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Its not something i would or could do but how does this differ from fishing in controlled salmon farms? The "flight" response is diminished. man can be cruel but so can nature.You only have to see a cat with a mouse now that is cruel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 live food? quite sad. but such is the nature of the world we live in. the context of the "catch" has a lot to be desired for... that cat reminds me of one of the ones I "found" as a kid. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerrrngirrl Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'm with you too smidey. That was a bit horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaM Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'm with you too smidey. That was a bit horrific. Yes I agree....I keep looking at the catfish in the photos and saw no apparent signs of movement, (well blurry tail or something)...so am convincing myself it was already dead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 how very hypocritical of you all, don't you all feed you pets live food? or freeze dried bloodworms and the such? ever wonder how they came to be dead? would like to say more, but as my Nana used to say, "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 how very hypocritical of you all, don't you all feed you pets live food? or freeze dried bloodworms and the such? ever wonder how they came to be dead? would like to say more, but as my Nana used to say, "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all" And im sure all these objectors dont eat farmed meat of any sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 And im sure all these objectors dont eat farmed meat of any sort I absolutely refuse to eat any animal that is cute, fuzzy or cool looking unless it's tasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 And im sure all these objectors dont eat farmed meat of any sort all that has been said was I couldn't do that as to me it is cruel. As a farmer i know exactely how cattle is dealt with, one instant bang & its all over.They aren't put in a small pen for a lion to jump in & kill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Meh. thats impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 all that has been said was I couldn't do that as to me it is cruel. As a farmer i know exactely how cattle is dealt with, one instant bang & its all over.They aren't put in a small pen for a lion to jump in & kill it. Funny, I thought that is exactly what happens when they are sent to the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronze-dragon Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 that is EXACTLY what happens at the works. that cow that you shot is still in a fenced paddock, nowhere else to run is there? that catfish in a bath is just the same as a cow in a paddock, only the cat used its natural weapons to capture and kill the fish (if it wasn't already dead) were as you go in and "one instant bang and its all over" cow didn't have a chance in hell did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 no the cow does not have a chance but it is also produced for that & is killed very quickly & humanely. If you think that the instant killing a cow at the works is the same as throwing an animal into a bath with another species to watch it kill it naturally is the same then this thread will never end. killing a cow at the works is instant, bang & its dead & this is why it is contained to make it fast. natural capture & kill is not, it could take several minutes from the first attack until death. to me there is a big difference between the two. If a lion was chasing you in the bush you would have a chance of surviving but if you were in a small pen there is no chance. im not sure how the cat has killed the catfish in this instance but it definately would not have died the moment the cat sank its claws into it, it could have taken quite a long time to die attempting to get away but can't as it's in a bath. I have slaughtered a few pigs & sheep in the past & will do more in the future, i currently have 5 "mutton roasts" in a paddock now that will become just that toward the end of the year. It is not an enjoyable thing doing it but that's how it is & that's what they are for but i certainly wouldn't send a ferrall dog to kill them for me as that would be cruel to the sheep. My point is that i personally would not put two animals in that situation myself, to me its like organised dog fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 We all put different values on life and cruelty. Some people think a vegetable has a soul and say a prayer before eating it and others keep pets that require live food. Vive la difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Conclusion; probably a bit cruel but still interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 killing a cow at the works is instant, bang & its dead & this is why it is contained to make it fast. natural capture & kill is not, it could take several minutes from the first attack until death. to me there is a big difference between the two. If a lion was chasing you in the bush you would have a chance of surviving but if you were in a small pen there is no chance. Sorry but I don't think you actually have thought about this. The process of killing a cow at a meat works is 1) Pack them in a truck and drive them to the works (they probably know where they are going) 2) Put them in a pen for sorting 3) Send them down a run about 10% wider than the animal 4) Put a needle in their skull and wait for them to stand still 5) Push the button to send large amounts of electricity in to the brain of the animal (this can take up to a minute) 6) Animal is now dead How is that any different to putting a fish in a bath tub 500% bigger than the fish and letting another animal kill it in a matter of seconds for food. The fish had more chance of surviving that the cow did. note: This is not a personal attack I just hate it when people say something is bad when they have not thought through what they are saying and if they look at their own life you see that they are just a guilty as the person they are accusing but they think what they are doing is different because it is more common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Sorry but I don't think you actually have thought about this. The process of killing a cow at a meat works is 1) Pack them in a truck and drive them to the works (they probably know where they are going) 2) Put them in a pen for sorting 3) Send them down a run about 10% wider than the animal This happens many times in there lives for drenching, tagging, sorting being sold etc so unless they have been to the works before they won't know where they are going. To say "They probably know where they are going" is an emotional & unreasonable statement to make. 4) Put a needle in their skull and wait for them to stand still 5) Push the button to send large amounts of electricity in to the brain of the animal (this can take up to a minute) 6) Animal is now dead How is that any different to putting a fish in a bath tub 500% bigger than the fish and letting another animal kill it in a matter of seconds for food. The fish had more chance of surviving that the cow did. Even if this process does take that long it is much faster than being attacked by a predator, there are specialist tools used to do the job not just sharp claws & teeth & pressure. note: This is not a personal attack I just hate it when people say something is bad when they have not thought through what they are saying and if they look at their own life you see that they are just a guilty as the person they are accusing but they think what they are doing is different because it is more common i don't take it personally as the posts need to be kept to facts rather than emotion All i have tried to point out is the differences between a wild attack & process killing. Do you think it would be ok for the lion man to put live horses into the lion enclosures for the lions to catch their own food? I think that would be cruel which is why they kill them in their paddock & then take them to the lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 somethings in life are blatantly cruel and obvious to everyone while others are not so clear cut and will be judged by each of us depending on how we were moulded by our environmental influences and experiences as we grew up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 somethings in life are blatantly cruel and obvious to everyone while others are not so clear cut and will be judged by each of us depending on how we were moulded by our environment influences and experiences as we grew up a wise & experience fulled statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 somethings in life are blatantly cruel and obvious to everyone while others are not so clear cut and will be judged by each of us depending on how we were moulded by our environmental influences and experiences as we grew up Well said as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 when i was a child i was beaten with a copy of Confuscius' analects and told to wisen up lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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