the-obstacle

Here you go. I like it a lot. http://vimeo.com/17250055 More info here - http://www.georgiaaquarium.org/

I think some of the jewel (?) brand all in ones have good lighting built in. Otherwise go as big as you can custom made and get lights to either sit on the tank or hang from above.

I'm in the city and have a 3 foot+ tank you can use.

damn! oh well, if they stop speaking let me know. I can drive to the tron to pick them up.

I'd be keen on a pair if you've got some males to go too?

Get it out and into a seperate tank and start treating with a broad spectrum medication (wunder tonic / melafix etc.) (unless you can pinpoint the exact cause) and/or salt. Daily water changes. No food for a few days (fish can happily handle this - once they're better they'll eat). Watch the rest of the tank for any other signs over the next few days / weeks. Those are my thoughts anyway... Some people will say don't treat with medication unless you know what you're treating but I figure the fish is getting worse by the hour anyway so the worst thing that will happen is the fish is a gonner, best case it gets better instantly in a clean, well filtered tank with the broad spectrum meds treating the right thing.

Thanks kerryn, that's made the actual impacts a whole lot clearer. It seems a fairly 'easy' process to go through (but costly I bet) as long as the infrastructure is in place to quarantine and medicate / manage the imports.

I agree with Ice - I would suggest that in future you wash your media in the tank water you've just removed for the water change too - that way you don't get the chlorine and what ever else in the tap water damaging the good bacteria. You're just trying to get the solids off the bio media while keeping as much bacteria as possible so washing the media until it looks like it's had the gunk removed in tank water is the way to go.

Chances are the sand isn't the issue. What did you wash the filter media with? Did you throw out/replace some of the media or just clean it and put it back?

there's a double garage sized fish room at the end of the driveway

did you get wunder tonic or furan2?

+1 I treated a single guppy for it in a hospital tank without noticing that the rest of the guppies had it too but they weren't showing signs until the other one was removed. I then had 2 tanks running with meds in them at different dosages. The bad one didn't make it but the others came through with nothing but a few little scars here and there.

that's awesome! how do you feed them?

The trick will be keeping the same area on the output pipe before and after the splits. If you're cannister output pipe is 12mm internally then you need to figure out the area (pi x (r*r)) of that and then make sure the 3 pipes areas add up to that amount that way there is no path of least resistance but the cannister pump doesn't get overworked either. Do the same for the intake of the cannister. It's not as simple as dividing 12 by 3 though as the area is quite a different number.

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albatross? ALBATROSS!

ahh, then you already know I'm over it too and will go pro on the next one. It's got to be so much easier.

Looks good! You'll find even the diy co2 kit (can't remember the name) with the built in ladder makes all the difference. I was adding ferts and managing the lights but I was amazed what happened as soon as I added the cheap and cheerful co2 - big time healthy growth.

You're linking to the google page, not the image. I copied the url to the image and put it in here for you.

Yep, they'll be getting their cold shower tonight. The worst part is watching him force himself through the gap and then 3 seconds later be gone. I've just put the other 10 pandas in the tank from the grow out tank so water change frequencies are going to daily for a little while until the nitrate levels settle again.

around 25 degrees at the moment.

So I've been watching over my 12 little eggs for a few days now and then I had another look at about 11am today and now there are 8. No sign of the others - no movement of breeding trap etc. What the? I decided to watch them for a bit to see what was happening. One started shaking then a little leaf like thing stuck out the side of it. It's a tail. awesome! So I go to do some work then come back at 2pm and there's now 6 eggs left and so sign of anything else in the trap. I do note that there's a fry in the trap without his egg - sweet! Next thing I see is the fry swim through one of the holes in the bottom of the trap and one of the black neons in the tank goes straight for him and he's lunch. Doh! I assume that's where the rest of the fry have gone. So, I've now got 5 eggs/wrigglers left and I've put the trap into a tupperware container so if they fall/swim through the bottom they're still caught in their own sealed mini tank. I'll be clearing out the grow out tank and putting the fry in there this afternoon after they've all hatched. So good news and bad news but at least I got them through to fry which I didn't even think I could achieve a week ago. Thanks all for your help. Alan told me so about the holes in the bottom :oops:

all good but i think since they went into the breeding trap they've had issues. they've darkened up and seem a bit fuzzy but not white fuzz. they should be wrigglers by the weekend if my information is right so if they're still eggs on monday i'll consider them gonners.

gidday!

hey ryan - here's a more up to date pic of my male apisto. he's lost a bit of yellow from his belly but he's looking good and knows it. the female is out of her cave today - I suspect she's lost the eggs / not fertilised properly etc. but she is an awesome shade of yellow all over.