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Again we must disagree Phil. Your Shakespearean view on the importance of a name would to me be as outdated as much of the language used in that famous piece of prose. ie. these roses don't smell that great. Sure Firebird is just a name. But it is a common name used in the U.S.A for Aulononcara Sp. Hansbaenchi/Red shoulder, whilst you can find it as the common name for Jacobfriebergi in Australia. Now because of probably only one's person's decision when imported or distributed, that name has become a common name for a fish here that already has several- Ruby red, Rubins, Rubescens. How can that not be : A. confusing now B. a potential hazard in terms of hybridisation down the track. Are you saying you will happily Try to ID these fish down the track, going to overseas sources for that info. Using what name Phil?- firebird or ? Surely the location source of your answer will detrermine your answer. And if your answer is negative will you then just change the name, as it isn't that important if we go by your statement above. As for the Jacob- did you read the first paragraph of the link you posted. It sates clearly that Lemon jake is variant and should not be mixed with others. Once again a common name has been appropriated after the fish has arrived. Here is list from same site. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/r ... p?genus=17 11 types of Jacobfriebergi including varietal and line bred. Yet only one is lemon jake, and because of someone's enthusiasm/ignorance all jacobs here are called something that in all probability they are not. "Close, but no cigar". I would suggest there are two if not more colour variations of Baenschi going around as well. I agree with you determination that there is a lot of chance for mixing or hybridising at import/quarantine time, or that the overall quality of imported fish is well below that of other nations, particularly in the rarifed air of F0 or F1 stock. But is that an excuse for not doing the best we can with the stocks we get. Lost? _ I may well be, or perhaps I'm just on a path unfimiliar to you.

All in all it just makes us all look like a bunch of Amateurs. Self described 'serious' breeders buying fish off public auction with little or know determination of a positive ID. This from one who contiually uses sayings like NZ's best. Todays TM listing has A.sp Jacobfriebergi "lemon Jake" . This common name is also a varietal/location designation, and now that name has been adopted for no more than one upmanship as far as I can see. Q. Were Lemon Jake variety brought in or were they Jacobfriebergi that matched an internet image hence the ball starts rolling? It seems the thrill of the sale has got to some heads. Q. In my female peacock tank my a young Maleri male has knocked up a a Baenschi girl, as happens in this tank. No spawn in this tank is usually allowed to continue. But as they are both pretty peacocks and their young should be lovely yellowy gold is it then OK to call them "SUNBIRD". What a cool name- I should sell heaps, and I even know the background of the parents so OK? Should I comment on the names given to some recent imported plecs by the importer here- If it wasn't so laughable it would be shameful. What is worse these fish will be sent out soon under these "takeaguess' names and retailers will be asking a couple of hundred dollars for completely random fish. I note Mr pleco has just discovered his "starlight bn's" which he has diligently bred weren't exactly that. But he bought a designated fish and should expect to end up with that fish not one that comes in with the broad "Ancistrus" title to be then called whatever under the guise of marketing. A few people will shortly be thinking they are going to get L134 leopard frog mouth pleco as they are on retail list when really it's a yet to be determined fish. Will the importer take the fish back? this hasn't been policy to date. There seems to be no rigid safeguards in terms of ID's which can mean all sorts of fish can end up here. Amatuer breeders- We do our best but I can't believe that with all the hooplah around bio-security and MAF , that importer/wholesalers and pro breeders are willing to be so slapdash.

Looks like That Raphael has been doing more than just talking about chocolate.

Did you actually read the threads?

Chilumba's Adults and juvi's as comparison.

These guys from Alex who got from Chch so they should! be something. The colouration is way less intense the chilumba, and this female is very different also. I must admit I thought they were another stuartgranti when I first opened box, but I hope soon to have more of them to gauge that better. Here is a quick link. http://www.cichlidforum.com/profiles/species.php?id=638 Chilumba's are good- 2 spawns( should have more but tankspace hard to come by at moment.) are both growing very clean and true. Some have gone to Wgtn to get some numbers going down that way.

I obtained this pair as A.sp. hueseri. Am keen to see how this spawn breeds. I was guessing him a Stuartgranti variant at first, because of the prevailence of those varieties here, but less inclined to ID him in same group as Red shoulder, and Royal blue etc. This male is very solitary and shy, here he is in spawn mode.

I'd stop the oxheart, do immediate water change, and be doing a 'Prazi" for worms if you haven't done one recently.

If I asked them I'm sure they do mind. I try to handle them as little as possible and they were out of water for 20 seconds so in no danger. I caught them and put into bucket, then shot one at a time, they will flap around a bit. Their odontodes out like they are shows they aren't happy, so keep the session as short as possible. Plecs are robust and when bigger easier to handle than net, because of odontode growth.

Yeah they do look a tad more blue in the water but also seem to lose the intensity of blue as they age. I note my smallest fish is the bluest. Still blue through dorsal and Caudal though which is hard to see in these pics.

I happened to see a bit of this program yesterday around 11am on Animal planet. The show is called "the equator" and the episode called 'Amazonia". Can anyone with a skywatch mag tell me if it plays again as I would like to see it again. An 1hr long Doco on the flooded forests of Amazonian Basin. From memory had footage of- Aro's, Discus, Peacock Bass, Angels, Pirhana, Cardinals, Hatchet fish, leaf fish, catfish, as well as a number of other species, with some great underwater footage

Was reading the "Stress" post and up popped the "Serenity" poem which is IMO sick making, particularly if you were brought up in the 70's like me where the world was full of: hand crafted pottery, Macrame, Holly Hobby, Jonathon livingston seagull, and a raft of hand stitched wall mounts with such sayings. My Grans was: "It's nice to be important- But it's far more important to be nice! Any other Pearls of Wisdom out there?

I've seen the post on the L200 -(link in my first post), but haven't seen anything on the blues- do you know more details- would be good to read. The plan is to get these guys alone in the 600ltr once I make some room.

.Any green like courgette. I use the "trunk" part of broccoli or cauliflower as I leave in for a day without getting too mushy. Weigh down with plant lead or skew with a knife. They will hoover on it

Was rearranging things so took the oportunity & took some shots. About 3 yrs old so being able to positively ID recently. There are 7 in group, the 2 smallest are about 8cm. Fish1: presumed Female Fish 2: presumed male Fish 3: Possible female Fish 4: possible male Fish 5: possible female This gives me a sense of hope,and share the views on current. http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/view ... =5&t=24210

when I get stressed I retire to a quiet corner, start eratic breathing then develop whitespot! Did you know that the equivalent of methyline blue for humans is wine

pictus are bettr in groups so I'd say no to them. Many plecs/catfish will eventual outgrow your tank, so bear that in mind. How about getting some GBA's or similar and get a breeding pair/trio going down the line. The L270 chocolate zebs are lovely as well and get to a similar size.

L177 or big spot get to 20cm, as does that L67 flathead which isn't a gold nugget or even same genus. L018 and L81 are small spots and very similar to look at, although L18 get to 35cm and L81 half that.

L numbers are designated numbers given exclusively to South American loricadae for identification purposes. Started dy 'Datz' a german magazine/group. There are also LDA numbers and many common names may have several L or LDA numbers and this may indicate geographical differences of same species. Common names in all fish are confusing and the myriad of similar plecs need sorting. L200 or green/gold phantom could be either one of two fish that are very similar to look at but are in fact two entirely seperate genus where one of them ( baryancistrus sp) will end up double the size of the other( Hemiancistrus). Same for Gold nugget.

Any thing new to the tank lately, plants or fish? Or reason for fish to get hyper stressed. Maybe a dose of methyline blue? might prevent further losses.

Have you thought of rainbows? They are amazing in a planted tank, colourful, and an array of types.

I did like Jokey Smurf but mine: Casey was Disney at it's peak I reckon But this was iconic Hanna Barbera for me, although Jetson's were right up there. Wilma!!!!!!!!!

was dragging this shot out -and agree 100% the overhanging ledge is a winner as it ptotects them and potential fry from almost 180 degrees of danger, whether that is there or not.

I'd say older than young.3-4yrs. I'm going by eye size compared to body size and your fish is indicative of the wildcaughts brought in 18 months ago. The softer the water the bettter for this guy, I imagine it will be quite shy and a 'prazi' would be good too. What he eating?

It'll be Legit because Wonderland sell heaps of plecs. The description and photo's are up the bung, but some nice fish. the flathead gold nuggtes are L67 The big spoit pleco is L75 This collection is quite new i'd say.