suphew Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 There are advantages and disadvanages to corner and square over flows. Corner, less space to work in, less area for water flow over the top. But you only have to set it up once, you will gain more space in the tank, plus the square ones are harder to aquascape around. I would advise you leave the over flow outlet in the bottom of the tank that way you can leave the bottom join in your stand pipe unglued so you can pull it out if you need to, I guess you could do this with a side exit but its would make it harder, and add atleast two extra bends to your costs. The return pump is the one that is going to be doing all the work (pushing water up hill), if it was me I wouldn't put anything on that is going to restrict the flow, so would run it into a sea swirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 they are completely separate devices. seaswirl is (specifically) designed for a return, sits on the edge of your tank and oscillates the flow by 90 degrees left/right. squirt is (specifically) designed for a closed loop, has a drum internally that rotates directing flow independantely out 4 different outlets. combining the two is possible, but you would need 4 sea-swirls that would be absolutely AWESOME for random water flow although bloody expensive!!! come over sometime when you're in auckland next and see my setup to get some ideas. The return pump is the one that is going to be doing all the work (pushing water up hill), if it was me I wouldn't put anything on that is going to restrict the flow, so would run it into a sea swirl. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 from what ive read the difference between squirt or no squirt is like a right angle in the piping im assuming the same applies to the seaswirl. i understand the principle behind both both want some objective opinions s to which will provide the best rate of flow and randomness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 re: randomness, the squirt would be best only for the fact it has more outlets thus can produce cross-currents. sea-swirl is just 90 degrees side to side. however combine the both and you get very good randomness as they oscillate/alternate at different speeds so turbulence in the tank is always going to be varied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 so would you have the squirt directions as pictured or with a different configuration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 You are correct but there are two points to consider, first the more devices you have (restrictions) the less flow you will get from your return. Therefore you will require a big pump that costs more to run. The second and more important is return's will syphon when the power goes out, therefore you need all the return outlets to be as high in the tank as reasonable plus ideally have anti-syphon holes in each either above or just below the water line. Any water above your outlets or anti-syphon holes will go to the sump when the pumps is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 chimera are you still selling the 3/4" seaswirl? the syphon problem would be easier to avoid with the seaswirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 seaswirl is already sold to rubidor - he pm'd me ages ago about it so I gave him first option on it again - and he took it, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 when my return pump is off the sump is 2 inches from spilling over... if the skimmer goes off at the same time, I have 1/2 inch left...... tis time for a custom sump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 oh well if anyones got one going cheap let me know or anything similar (no scwds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Picking up my custom sump on Friday, installing Saturday 7feet of custom sump goodness Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 i have the option of having the two veiwing panels in diamante glass will it make a huge difference??? and is it worth double the price of the tank with nomal glass?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 It doesn't make a huge difference, but it is an improvement. I would have done it if I could have afforded it. BEWARE that its much weaker glass so the dimentions may be restricted by the dimante. Check someone elses tank like ZeovitNZ before you decide. Good luck Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 I would have done it if I could have afforded it. probably comes down to the fact that for a tank my size its not as prohibitive as for a tank of your size (and almost every one elses tank) from the pics ive seen of the starphire tanks it looks great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 now do i go Barebottom :oops: or have a sandbed which gives me a bit more flexability with fish choice ok i just made up my own mind. so what fish should i plan on getting?? im thinking something like a fancy wrasse, in which case the sand bed would help. i dont want a high fish bioload so i want my fish to stand out. n.b i am now making it deeper front to back as my stand can fit in now (sneeky sneeky) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 so what anemone do i get?? i want some thing that looks great and that my clowns will enjoy (ie something that doesnt eat them) normal bta's are ok but i wanted to go for something a little diferent and not a lta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 IMO, barebottom is UGLY - regardless of the benefit or downsides of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 i have decided against the BB just for aesthetics which at the end of the day is king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted June 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 tunze wavebox????? good idea in a shorter tank or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 lol just make the tank inside no worries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted June 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 was reading about the sizes of your tank u wanted to build just built it inside no doors to go through big as you want then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 whoops that was in 2004 hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted June 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 at least it makes sense now. i think ill do it. the wave box for all over movement my seio, a closed loop and the return for directional flow. how does that sould?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AW Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Higher frequencies for the waves generated by a wave box in shorter tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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