dragonz1833 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hi just wondering what colour morphs ppl have out there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Considering that it wasn't many generations ago that they all had the same father I would't expect anything too spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz1833 Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Yeah i know i have only brown and hi yellows would love albino or red/orange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 wouldn't inbreeding increase the chances of random mutations???, or just deformities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Ahhh so that's what you look like :lol: Good to put a face to a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 If people have other morphs it is unlikely they would admit to it on here for fear of a visit from burglers or MPI. A small gene pool would make it easier to get two recessives together but if someone started selling really exotic morphs I think they should expect a visit from MPI. Selective breeding is bringing out some nice looking yellows but I am not aware of others. One step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 wouldn't inbreeding increase the chances of random mutations???, or just deformities both depending on the genetics being transferred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 inbreeding= doubling up on genetics and their faults linebreeding = doubling up on genetics and their virtues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I think some people worry too much about breeding unrelated leos. If they all had the same father about 3 generations back they are all pretty related. When you look at native geckos they live in very small locations and are very inbred without problems that I am aware of. I guess that is why there are so many variations amongst them. I try to out breed where possible but only a certain amount is possible, particularly if you want to improve stock. Agree with Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 if it doesn't work its in if it works its line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I have a leo that is very yellowing with big dots. very different looking to the wild types. it is simply a morph, a basic morph in time im sure those ones will be further refined to produce other types of morphs. albino, well, thats not likely in saying that. if one was to surface, it could be from the current pool of genetics - relatively, they dont produce that many babies for a reptile right, not like beardies, so it could take time to surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 The genetics of the beardies in NZ is a lot more diverse than for the leps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Can I ask why MPI (ex maf) would care about morphs if they don't care about them being in the country in the first place, of are they on shaky ground in their legal status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 highly coloured morphs in only a few generations may be an indicator of smuggled animals then it may be a result of line breeding with todays technology and the limited paternal line it will be relatively easy to tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thanks, that makes sense that if you had smuggled a morph in you wouldn't want MPI to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 so in about 5 or so years we will see a sudden flood of unusual morphs available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 that will all depend on what genetics the originals were carrying there may be a few sports pop up though alleles are a funny thing in the way they combine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 any of the coloured beardies turning up yet??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 may fade as it matures, have seen dark babies here any pics of blue adult? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 saw a young one in Aussie that was distinctly purple black in colour just found this... You get "blue" or "purple" Translucents, but as far as I'm aware no-one's yet managed to breed a beardie which holds that colour to adulthood. My understanding of it is that a lot of the darker purple-blue colour is caused by deoxygenated blood and internal organs - in baby translucents which have very thin skin, this effect is pronounced. However as the dragon grows, its skin thickens and the white layer (which is reduced in Trans dragons) also thickens. This masks the effect, so the dragon doesn't appear purple-blue any more. so probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 would be interesting genetically to get blue from brown/red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz1833 Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 There are alot of beautiful colour morphs of leos and beardies over seas ashame we dont have them over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Must be some merit to this Some people play around with temps during incubation to try and manipulate colour but these temp fluctuations are done gradually. viewtopic.php?f=40&t=42693&p=462910&hilit=incubation+temp+for+leopard#p462910 The albino frog surfaced here before its motherland - that i suspect has a much larger gene pool. parasites caused the mutation here but i did'nt tell you that Anything is possible .... until proven otherwise :sml2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 which parasite are we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 would be interesting genetically to get blue from brown/red Reptiles, like most animals, can't produce blue pigments I thought? Most blue animals create blues more complicated ways which I'd have thought would be much harder to randomly appear in a strain. Maybe you could try taking an albino bearded dragon and feed it large doses of colloidal silver to give it argyria? :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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