Sam Newman Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 HI Can anyone please tell me the biggest fish I can keep in a freshwater pond 4m long by 4m wide by 2m deep I have some Longtail Commet Goldfish in it at the moment but Im happy to move them if there is something BIG I could keep in my pond. Thanx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 possibly some sort of native fish would be your best bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 shortfin eel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Shortfin Eel would definatly escape. Don't know what sort of native would be suitable? Is there some kind of large Carp that wouldn't need extream amounts of running water? My pond is well out of the flood level, so there's no chance of anything getting to the waterways. Except for Eels, of corse. They travel Kelometers accross land to get around waterfalls etc. I have plenty of them in my river. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Is there some kind of large Carp that wouldn't need extream amounts of running water? The only legal carp would be goldfish. If $100K fines and jailtime don't bother you, you could try koi, they're much bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 banded kokopu. Probably not very visible though. I don't know anything about them (or the legalities) ... but what about mullet? As always, temperature is the critical thing, if your pond is in the shade natives would probably be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 &c:ry Mullet, Don't they need running salt water? I only have fresh water from the bush on a trickle. Koi are amaizing in the japanese gardens. Would love to have some but don't want to be raped in jail. I have a big dog that would be happy to guard the pond from thieves that could jepadize the risk of them escaping. Does anyone have any type of larger carp for sale? Koi or other? I guess thats what I'm after. My goldys are pretty but would like something bigger. There must be something I could get my hands on? :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malevolentsparkle Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 comet goldfish get pretty big. you may just have to wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 every now and then people sell pretty big goldfish on trademe (clearing out a pond or similar) though be really careful not to buy koi, the fines and jail are pretty serious. I don't think there are any other carp apart from goldfish that are legal/available. Mullet are wanderers, can be fine in freshwater, but not sure of the details. You could probably do with heading to your local library and getting all the books out by R.M. McDowall, preferably the big 1990 one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malevolentsparkle Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 rudd are a noxious species in most of the country but not in auckland/waikato. are they legal to keep in ponds or just to fish for in those areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 Rudd. Whats that? Sounds like I need to do some reading about Mullet. Thanx for the tip Stella. Will visit the library next week, now that I have a reason to update my membeship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malevolentsparkle Posted December 20, 2010 Report Share Posted December 20, 2010 rudd are a big bronze/silver carp with red fins. get about a foot long, not huge i guess. but they would be super illegal in the far north, not sure about auckland/waitato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diver21 Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/thr ... acts/rudd/ thats what rudd is Noxious species (except in Auckland/Waikato Fish and Game region where it is a sports fish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted December 21, 2010 Report Share Posted December 21, 2010 my understanding is that you are not allowed to keep 'sports' fish, coarse fish or anything else controlled by Fish & Game. Certain noxious species (eg koi) are not classified as noxoius but as sports fish in the Waikato etc becuase they are established and impossible to eradicate in those areas. All you can have to do with any of these pest species anywhere is kill them. You cannot: posess, move, sell, breed, purchase etc them. Only kill them. If you happen to have them in a pond on your property, DOC would be more interested in eradicating them from the pond than prosecuting you, but if you are moving/selling etc them, they will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Basically in NZ if it is in the wild and bigger than 20cm it is an exotic sports or pest fish, either way, there are many laws around what you can and can't do with them, and pond/aquarium transfer is pretty much out, for extremely good reasons. Oh, but if you want to catch/kill/eat/feed the cat a *native* fish, you can do what you like, with any gear you like, without needing a license. Crazy :nilly: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 Sounds like keeping Koi is a silly idea. Are there any catfish that would be ok in a pond? Does anyone know if there are Rudd in the Waitangi River or trubutaries? or does anyone have any 4sale? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted December 26, 2010 Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 Rudd are classed as a noxious fish, and it's illegal to sell or buy I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 26, 2010 Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 you can catch rainbow trout, tench or perch in that river http://www.nzfishing.com/FishingWaters/ ... itangi.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 26, 2010 Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 Sounds like keeping Koi is a silly idea. Are there any catfish that would be ok in a pond? Does anyone know if there are Rudd in the Waitangi River or trubutaries? or does anyone have any 4sale? Cheers First you're wanting to keep koi and wanting to know if anyone has any, then catfish, rudd and gambusia...Clearly you are a fan of large fines and jailtime. Would you also like some P? How about a stolen TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 26, 2010 Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 have you read any of the links posted for you? this is a good read as well http://www.fnzas.org.nz/index.php?PG=PestTaskForce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 Clearly, it is not a good idea to keep any of these fish. Thanx for the offer for the tv, but I have no power and not into stolen stuff. Stay away from the P mate. Too many of my friends have lost too much over that stuff. It's just not worth it. Good luck my friend. I went eeling tonight and caught heaps. I saw this fish hanging by the bank so I netted it. Is it a Rudd? will let you know how it tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 26, 2010 Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 It will taste like carp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2010 Needed lots of salt. The garlic butter was good with it. :nilly: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Turns out it was a goldfish. Wonder how it got in our river. Im actualy surprized it lived. There are hundereds of eels there. It did have a fin nibbled at. Might see if I can catch some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted December 28, 2010 Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 It will have been released by someone who did not want it any more Goldfish revert back to their natural colouring in the wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Newman Posted December 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2010 Thanks. Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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