David R Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Here's my contribution after a quick scan of the list, I'm sure there's many more. Acarichthys heckelii - was imported a few years ago, not sure if any pairs established, not seen since Amphilophus citrinellus - has been imported, still some around, not sure if anyone is breeding them Anostomus anostomus - haven't seen them in the shops for a while now Dicrossus filamentosus - I know they were supposed to come in from Germany but never made it Geophagus steindachneri - as above Gymnogeophagus balzanii - as above Herichthys cyanoguttatus - the true Texas cichlid, all ours are H. carpinte AFAIK Heros severus - unsure if the true H. severus has ever been imported Hypselecara coryphaenoides - supposedly very rare in the hobby, possibly never been imported? Monocirrhus polyacanthus - last lot turned out to be something else, unsure if the true SA leaf fish has been imported? Nandopsis tetracanthus - I've only ever seen one here Pimelodus ornatus - last available when? I also notice there are things like "Danio sp. "pantheri"" and "Hemiancistrus L128" with no valid species name, which seems strange to me. If anything it shows the incompetence of the people who created the list and the system. Does that mean its possible to get more undescribed species added? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Tropheus Moorii - approx 30 varients Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruju Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Silver needlenose gar Various types of knifefish pike cichlid variant? Those 3 come off the top of my head that I have seen on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 pike cichlid variant? I knew there was one I'd seen that I forgot! Crenicichla lacustris - I have seen a pic of a pike here, a guy was selling it as part of a big old set up, and he had two of them. I've never actually seen them for sale in a shop though. Shame only one species is on the list, but at least thats something. Can we stick to Latin names too, since thats what the list and MAF deal in. So Xenentodon cancila - Silver needlenose gar. Has anyone seen them here? Any knives in particular Fruju? I thought most of the ones on the list were available sporadically, are there some that haven't come in, or not often available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruju Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 um, I would have to check the list, but something like the green knifefish......stuff it I will go and get their latin names :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Heros severus - unsure if the true H. severus has ever been imported Then what are all the severums we do get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 South American +1 for Dicrossus filamentosus Dicrossus maculatus Apistogramma borellii (Has been imported twice but none made it past a few months) Apistogramma bitaeniata Taenicara candidi And sneek these two in also aren't on the list but should be. Apiastogramma baenschi /inka 50 (Has been in NZ) Apistogrammoides pucallpaensis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Then what are all the severums we do get? H. efasciatus, or hybrids between that and H. severus among other things. They've been captive bred for so long now its hard to tell. Here's a good article with a few pics of the true H. severus; http://www.apistogramma.co.uk/index.php ... &Itemid=57 More pics: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forum ... p?t=232095 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 there are heaaaaapssss I had filamentousa brought in about 3 years ago but trets and six bars and all the cats and cory's, comps and the like more on list not here..or not here for a long time than other way around the other thing is not to get confused between what is on our list and what is on exporters list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 the other thing is not to get confused between what is on our list and what is on exporters list Yeah well thats the next thing, and the big problem here. I'd love some crenicichla and true H. severus, but I doubt there would be enough people here willing to pay for them to make it worth while.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Yeah well thats the next thing, and the big problem here. I'd love some crenicichla and true H. severus, but I doubt there would be enough people here willing to pay for them to make it worth while.... I'd probably pay $50 each for a true severus as long as it's within the next month or two. Think we can arrange another 149 people willing to do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 I also notice there are things like "Danio sp. "pantheri"" and "Hemiancistrus L128" with no valid species name, which seems strange to me. If anything it shows the incompetence of the people who created the list and the system. Does that mean its possible to get more undescribed species added? People are too lazy these days in petshops and can't be bothered to do some research and find out if the scientific names have been changed/updated. Danio sp. "Patheri" is now Danio aesculapii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 People are too lazy these days in petshops and can't be bothered to do some research and find out if the scientific names have been changed/updated. Danio sp. "Patheri" is now Danio aesculapii. my LFS names them what is on the supply list, possibly where most naming issues originate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 my LFS names them what is on the supply list, possibly where most naming issues originate. ^ I suspect this is what most LFS do. Yes it's the easy option but it's also the safe option (given some of the vigorous discussion that has gone on in these forums regarding people putting their own ID's to fish). From the little I've seen of NZ wholesalers lists (that retailers order from) they don't usually have scientific names listed (even though they would have had to have had one to be imported). Also if you consider cost/benefit for retailers finding out scientific names of the fish they stock = waste of time as the vast majority of their customers couldn't care less and the ones that do care will already know or know how to find out. Also it's not for LFS to update scientific names on an import standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 often that is the most reliable or only info they have to go on, they aren't necessarily enthusiasts like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruju Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Heres a couple I found... Apteronotus brasiliensis – one of many types of BGK knifefish Campylomormyrus rhynochimpus - mormyrid Colomesus asellus – amazon puffer Crenicara puctulatum - cichlid Crenicichla lacustris – pike cichlid Distichodus sexfasciatus – African distidochus Distichodus lusosso – African distidochus Eigenmannia virescens –green knife Geophagus steindachneri –geophagus Gymnotus pedanopterus – knifefish Herichthys cyanoguttatus –texas cichlid Hysibarbus vernayi – lemonfin barb Luciocephalus pulcher – pikehead fish Luciosoma setigerum – Apollo shark Microctenopoma fasciolatum – ctenopoma variant Microphis brachyurus brachyurus – freshwater pipefish Monocirrhus polyacanthus – S.A leaf fish Mormyrus longirostris –mormyrid Mystus vittatus –mystus cat Mystus tengara – mystus cat Mystus micracanthus – mystus cat Nandopsis tetracanthus – Cuban cichlid Ompok bimaculatus – butter catfish Ompok sabanus- butter catfish Papyrocranus afer – Reticulate knifefish Pimelodella gracilis – pictus variant Pimelodus ornatus – Big pictus Polycentropsis abbreviate - leafifish Polycentrus schomburgkii – leaf fish Polypterus palmas palmas – Bichir- yes please Pseudomystus siamensis –bumblebee cat Semaprochilodus isignus – flagtail Sternopygus macrurus –black knifefish Tetraodon cochinchinensis – Mekong dragon puffer Tetraodon fluviatilis – green puffer Tetraodon lineatus – puffer Tetraodon suvattii – pig nosed puffer Toxotes jaculatrix –archerfish Xenentodon cancila – silver needlenose gar Xenomystus nigri – African knifefish obviously not all will be able to be brought in, but these are the ones on the list that caught my attention. There you go david. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 So is this NOT a Texas Cichlid? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Fish/Fish/auction-328185463.htm If not what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 mmmm ornate pim!! they were supposed to come in, but fell through. priced at rouglhy 200 each. apparently no one was interested. IM LIKE!! no!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 I'd like one of these: Parosphromenus deissneri (licorice gourami) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 I'd like one of these: Parosphromenus deissneri (licorice gourami) Wow those are nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Wow those are nice Yeah I reckon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 So is this NOT a Texas Cichlid? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pets-animals/Fish/Fish/auction-328185463.htm If not what is it? This is the exact reason why I hate common names and think people should go to the trouble of using Latin names... The fish in the auction is Herichthys carpintis, the fish that is actually on the list and is sometimes referred to the "true Texas cichlid" is H. cyanoguttatus. With common names there is no convention governing how they are used, so if you want to start calling kribensis "texas cichlids" then there is nothing stopping you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 This is the exact reason why I hate common names and think people should go to the trouble of using Latin names... The fish in the auction is Herichthys carpintis, the fish that is actually on the list and is sometimes referred to the "true Texas cichlid" is H. cyanoguttatus. With common names there is no convention governing how they are used, so if you want to start calling kribensis "texas cichlids" then there is nothing stopping you. There is a serious issue here. The listing mentions - Scientific name: Herichthys cyanoguttatus Common name: Texas cichlid - so if you didn't really know you'd go and buy this thinking you had the real deal as the listing even had the proper latin name (although not for the fish you're buying). Clearly this is what the seller believes they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 There is a serious issue here. The listing mentions - Scientific name: Herichthys cyanoguttatus Common name: Texas cichlid - so if you didn't really know you'd go and buy this thinking you had the real deal as the listing even had the proper latin name (although not for the fish you're buying). Clearly this is what the seller believes they have. Not really a serious issue or drama here just someone making a mistake... The guy got it wrong and people will get things wrong no matter what system is used.. it's called being a human being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Not really a serious issue or drama here just someone making a mistake... The guy got it wrong and people will get things wrong no matter what system is used.. it's called being a human being Oh yeah - I meant more of an endemic issue, not with the person themself. They probably bought the fish under that name and truely believe that's what they're selling. I'm damned if I know how to change / police / advise on this one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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