ryanjury Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Unsure if there are enough to start a club at this stage but for the first hour or 2 of suggesting it there are a few Will see how it goes, I will send an email out to everyone on the list in a few days once there are a few more people on it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasi Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 You know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 If someone is finally willing to get this club off the ground then count me in too please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 There is no point creating an official FNZAS apisto club though is there? With administration, more subs etc etc. it would make more sense to join a local club so that you can register stuff but have the same email list as is above. Although if there are to be no running costs for this club it would be rather cheap and the only fees would be the most basic FNZAS fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 P44 I might be able to pick fish up when I am up in a few weeks to return to chch instead of a club why not start with an apisto page here and gauge interest first? Nav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Woke up this morning to 6 dead males. That's right 6. That leaves me with 3 males I think, so yep Nav I'll try my best to keep them safe till you get here. One very angry yellow female who is half the size of her mother and has inherited the temper of a ..... There are no eggs surprisingly enough, just 6 males thrown out the tank. Not happy at all. I even covered the tank and she got them from behind the heater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Woke up this morning to 6 dead males. Holy cow man! That's terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Stink one P44 hopefully the rest will be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudiot Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 not cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Not at all. :evil: I am so attached to them as well. I nearly died when I woke up this morning and found 6 semi dry bodies all in the same place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I got my male hongsloi today, thanks Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Sorry about that Phoenix. I had one jump once as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Gutted Phoenix I have had a few fish jump as well over the years, it does appear to happen when the fish are getting a hard time so maybe they were getting chased so much they pretty much had no option.. Looks like you didn't quite move them on in time Apist list is growing really well, I am of the same thoughts as Phoenix at this stage there is probably no real benefit to be gained by having a dedicated apisto club in NZ but I think an email list would be awesome. I will also start up a list of known species (and people keeping/breeding them with their permission) when I get around to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Gutted for you P44! I have so enjoyed your updated posts on this spawn and watching there progress. Hopefully your little fiery female can produce many more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Interesting site for the apisto fans.. http://apisto.sites.no/page.aspx?pageid=53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Thanks danval. I still have one female and now I have a theory with some evidence of how / why sporadic apisto deaths occur. I believe they have a tendency to freak and stress out immensely and that usually leads to death characterised by suddenly going belly up and then dying. Someone came over the other day to take a male apisto agasizzi home and the minute we caught one he went upside down and started breathing really really fast. Released him immediately and he was swimming upside down. Went for another male; and the exact same thing happened. This happened to 3 different fish. They were stressed out to the point of losing their colour and swimming upside down and almost having an epileptic fit! So I decided they were not going to be taken out the tank until I could figure out what was going on. They are all ok now, but at that point they were on the brink of death. Very very weird and strange that's for sure. Previously I knew this happened to Banggai Cardinal fish, but maybe the same happened with these guys.. Now I'm not making an assumption about all apistos (my other ones don't do this) or even all agasizzi, but the ones I have truly freaked me out when I saw this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 That does sound bizarre Phoenix I have never seen or heard of anything like that happening before. I also think it is bizarre that you had 6 males jump out all at the same time I haven't lost many apistos to jumping and all of a sudden you loose 6 overnight. So you are having all sorts of random stuff happen at your place! Danval that site is awesome aye There is some amazing fish being collected.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 They didn't jump. The female cornered them behind the heater as they do when they are breeding and attacked / pushed them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Mine went through a HUGE amount of stress during the quake and they never showed any signed of problems whatsoever. In fact, they never looked better, even after swimming in cold mud! I really don't find them any more sensitive than other fish. I don't baby them at all, I freely chuck them from tank to tank and do massive water changes and never have any problems. I figure that as with anything, if they live a protected life, they will find any sudden change traumatic. Works for me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 So is your little female doing ok P44?. Maybe they are afflicted with something similar to this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/368631/fainting_goats/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Yeah, little female is absolutely beautiful! Bright yellow and absolutely perfect in every way. That goat thing is almost like what happened to my little guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I had the same thing happen to a big male breeding krib once. The moment I put the net in he turned belly up. 2 hours later he was absolutely fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Great to hear P44!. Can you tell me if offspring can be bred with offspring? Or is this a big no no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 26, 2010 Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 I used to hate the very thought of mating offspring together. But with fish I suppose it doesn't matter too much (genetically speaking however there are many drawbacks). In the animal kingdom I believe it is worse to breed cousins together than it is to breed siblings together. Never breed more genetically complex organisms to siblings though - eg. dogs, cats, humans :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2010 Yeah, I think i have seen the result of interbreeding at work! .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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