Varanophile Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 As far as I know there is a genetic weakness and no one has successfully bred them albino to albino, so there has been a delay while people breed them back to normals then out again. The breeding season is coming so who knows--maybe someone will get lucky. Allan's comments are true to a high degree- as you know Matt. I paid top dollar for my originals. I needed to protect my investment, so the first lot sold were hormone treated- which was CLEARLY stated. The hormone left the females unchanged, but ensured that the males testes would not develop- it did not cause any genetic issues (people do your research). The next lots I sold were not treated in any way. It was never about shed loads of money. 'Albinos' were never plentiful- technically they are lutinos- not albinos. I had 28 in total when they were euthanised as they were held with White's Tree Frogs :digH: . The remainder that exist are a combination of those that came from me and possibly a small number from 'Church Mouse' on Trade Me- most, if not all of Church Mouse's ended up with a FNZAS forum member in Tauranga... These frogs are the colour they are because they lack pieces of genetic code related to the expression or production of skin pigment, often with animals that have genetic defects in one area there are problems in other areas too...hence the spinal problems as tadpoles and skin issues as they age. Allan's comment re crossing back with a normal strain is a long road, but it is the only way to ensure the longetivity of this morph- eliminate all the other genetic defects, but keep the defect that makes them yellow. To the best of my knowledge I sold them cheaper than anyone else. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 you might need to do some more research on frog genetics The hormone left the females unchanged, but ensured that the males testes would not develop- it did not cause any genetic issues what hormone only works on male reproductive organs and has it been trialled on amphibians before to show that it has no effect on gene expression in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 you might need to do some more research on frog genetics what hormone only works on male reproductive organs and has it been trialled on amphibians before to show that it has no effect on gene expression in the future? D-estrodiol. Natural hormone produced in female animals. If this hormone is present in males during the development of the sexual organs it results in the development of ovotestes. Males with ovotestes are sterile. They are still genetic males though. Treating with hormones can induce or repress genes- but do not change the gene itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 have you got any links to its use on amphibians, frogs in particular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 have you got any links to its use on amphibians, frogs in particular? http://www.google.com type in estradiol effects on frogs this one sums it up: http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1289%2Fehp.8067 suprised you have not already done before you suggested I might want to do some more research :digH: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 yes have that one already was hoping for some others as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason22 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Some of the splits have gone bent but most are still fine. Albinos all look ok the splits seemed to start to bend at about 30mm+. they were fine until then, so fingers crossed the rest stay good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 bummer. generally displays/worsens closer to morphing too. cullinary delight what combo produced the albinos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 interesting to see scoliosis in the splits and not showing in yellow tads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason22 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 bummer. generally displays/worsens closer to morphing too. cullinary delight what combo produced the albinos? My male albino and one of your splits interesting to see scoliosis in the splits and not showing in yellow tads Yer thats whats happening with the splits, only one albino is bent but the albinos are on average smaller, but there are some large straight one so fingers crossed. the is one tadpole that is not albino but not normal. it is transparent but has normal eyes and not golden like albinos. will take photo of it tomorrow. might be leucistic ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 keep an eye on it. may find it morphs green/normal even if very yellow/transparent looking. could also be leucistic if you are really lucky or you may even find the eye pigment fades and ends up albino. :nilly: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason22 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 keep an eye on it. may find it morphs green/normal even if very yellow/transparent looking. could also be leucistic if you are really lucky or you may even find the eye pigment fades and ends up albino. :nilly: yer will have to wait and see. i already have a transparent frog with normal eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Insect Direct Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 not unusual for normal bell frog tadpoles to appear translucent. often do so when kept indoors for some reason, but in this case generally all or nothing and they still morph into green frogs. there also appears to be a genetic factor playing a part with some though and in that case often see only a % of a batch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 seen any with a little yellow spot like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 There were very few albino males about a while ago, are you still getting a sex bias? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 nothing has been worth growing on so i wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason22 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 seen any with a little yellow spot like this? No not that i have noticed, just the one different, some are paler but nothing exciting. Did you spawn yours this season?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 nothing for the past few months. heaps last year, all deformed. may get the frogs back and give it another shot if other things pan out this year. then again may skip over to dingo territory and get an accent. yeah right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARY ANN Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 they the most beautiful frogs i ever see in new zealand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 i like the chocolate ones better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 are camel frogs in this season :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 your frog got the hump with you? did you call it quasimodo or does its face not ring a bell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 your frog got the hump with you? did you call it quasimodo or does its face not ring a bell? :roll: :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 raised some mutant aurea in with some ewingii a few months back.. chain of thought was - the ewingii i raise never have deformities so either just more robust, better dna or resistant to suspected parasite. results were 2/3 tadpoles with bent back bones - very similar to what i see in mutant aurea. but check this out --- merely coincidence or something more to it - who really knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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