David R Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 The old real difference I have found between the brands is the ehime owners like to be able to say "hey look at my eheim" Have you actually done any real comparisons? I've had a 700lph-rated Eheim and AquaOne running side by side on the same tank, both cleaned out on the same day, and one was flowing more than the other. But hey, fishkeeping is all about the bling right, thats why I opted for a glass sump to show off my Jager heaters and Laguna pump instead of using a big plactic tub.... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Have you actually done any real comparisons? I've had a 700lph-rated Eheim and AquaOne running side by side on the same tank, both cleaned out on the same day, and one was flowing more than the other. But hey, fishkeeping is all about the bling right, thats why I opted for a glass sump to show off my Jager heaters and Laguna pump instead of using a big plactic tub.... :lol: There is nothing wrong with the bling factor Did one of the filters have a slower flow rate because it picked up more crud than the other one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Laguna? Why would you want to show off that cheap pump? Iwaki or go home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 There is nothing wrong with the bling factor Did one of the filters have a slower flow rate because it picked up more crud than the other one? Heh I know, I just spent a ridiculous amount of money on "bling factor" for my bike.... :oops: IIRC they were both cleaned out and the Eheim was considerably faster should set it up and do another comparison now its had time to accumulate more crud in the pipes. One day... LOL Ira, its going to be sitting in a box in my garage.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Theres a 2217 on "that site" with a starting price of $140 no reserve, brillant filter, have 2 running on my 800ltr and they get cleaned once a year, gives the same flow as the cf1200 but they are eheim so quality, media and ease of maintanence cant be beaten ( i run 5 of these and 2 2213's). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcs Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 It is interesting that you would say that, I own all sorts (including an FX5 - which gets a few bad reviews for connectors and stuff like that but I have had no issues with) and I have not noticed any problems with the aqua ones. I have had 3 of them running (that I brought second hand) for 4-5 years constantly with all the standard gear none of it has broken and it all still works fine, from talking to others this is a similar story so I would love to know what issues you have had with them? I agree if you get a similar sized eheim to a aqua one the aqua one will use maybe 1-2W more power but it will take many years before that pays for the difference in purchase price Didnt have any major issues, just making the point of build quality. The baskets with their O rings dont fit together well, prone to getting air stuck in the system too. As for power usage, yes its still negligible in $, but a 2213 uses 8w verses a CF1000 (comparable) uses 20w or more from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 what about the warranties and stuff? 3 years on both, or just the eheim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 used a few bramds found aquaones cheaper to buy, cheaper for parts, easy to use and no problems except for general wear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 what about the warranties and stuff? 3 years on both, or just the eheim? Aqua one is 1 year, 2 years or 3 years depending on the model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 As for power usage, yes its still negligible in $, but a 2213 uses 8w verses a CF1000 (comparable) uses 20w or more from memory. You are comparing a 2213 which is a 400 l/h with a CF1000 which is a 1000 l/h filter. Also the 2213 ony has to get the water through 3.5L of media where the CF1000 is getting water through 6.5L of media. If you want to compair apples with apples then you should be looking at the 2217 which is 1000 l/h and holds 6.6L of media. It also uses 20W of power compaired with the CF1000 that uses 20.5W Price wise the the Aqua one $156 and the Ehiem is $323.60 (prices from HFF & aqua one web pages) http://www.hollywoodfishfarm.co.nz/prod ... php?id=224 http://www.aquaone.net.nz/cart_product2 ... R%20FILTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redracer77 Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Does anyone get the claimed flow rate from an aqua-one? I have a CF1200 and I thought I read they only flow 700lph, even that seems a lot more than mine flows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 mine go very well after a clean & gradually get slower as they clog. after around 4 weeks i give them a clean, i have found that if the piping to & from the tank is clean they flow very well whether the canister is clogged or not so often just remove & rinse the piping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I have an Aqua One CF 1000. I clean it every couple of months, to remove dirt, but I've never had it clog. It cost around $160. It only takes a few mintues to clean, and it's silent as. Its the best think I ever invested in. I haven't tried Eheim, but I am tempted, because the thermofilters look REALLY good. I don't like having an ugly thermostat sitting in the tank. It sucks that you can't get Aqua One Thermofilters About Aqua One filters sucking up air - the solution is SIMPLE! Don't put the intake by an airstone, or put it by the surface! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Does anyone get the claimed flow rate from an aqua-one? I have a CF1200 and I thought I read they only flow 700lph, even that seems a lot more than mine flows. Out of interest i just went and tested one of my CF1200's It pumped 4.5L in 30 sec = 540 lph I also checked one of my sunsun 1400lphh canister filters It pumped 5.0L in 30 sec = 600lph Neither have been cleaned in a few months. Perhaps its time i did clean them. I would be interested in the results from others It only takes a few minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morcs Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 You are comparing a 2213 which is a 400 l/h with a CF1000 which is a 1000 l/h filter. Also the 2213 ony has to get the water through 3.5L of media where the CF1000 is getting water through 6.5L of media. If you want to compair apples with apples then you should be looking at the 2217 which is 1000 l/h and holds 6.6L of media. It also uses 20W of power compaired with the CF1000 that uses 20.5W Price wise the the Aqua one $156 and the Ehiem is $323.60 (prices from HFF & aqua one web pages) http://www.hollywoodfishfarm.co.nz/prod ... php?id=224 http://www.aquaone.net.nz/cart_product2 ... R%20FILTER I was waiting for you to make those points. Firstly, the eheim stated flow rate is WITH media, whearas other brands up their figures by stating the flow rate without resistance. Secondly, I would say a 2213 is comparable to a CF1000 for filtration ability, flow rate isnt everthing, the media is superior, and there is ZERO bypass, whearas aquaones will have bypass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 The media supplied has nothing to do with it because you can easily replace it. I can understand the ehiem media is better but what if my CF has ehiem media in it? What makes you say Aqua one is rated without media? Do you have evidence of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I was waiting for you to make those points. Firstly, the eheim stated flow rate is WITH media, whearas other brands up their figures by stating the flow rate without resistance. Secondly, I would say a 2213 is comparable to a CF1000 for filtration ability, flow rate isnt everthing, the media is superior, and there is ZERO bypass, whearas aquaones will have bypass. I remember the 2213 I had would flow about 200-300 liters per hour after a cleaning. Compared to Fluval 404s that were around 700-800. I haven't actually tested my CF1200s. Maybe I'll do that when I have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I am not sure about the smaller CF filters but the CF2400 has a pipe the goes through all the trays so water is sucked out of the bottom of of the filter and the pipe goes through at least 3 o rings to reduce the bypass. edit: I should add that I have 2 eheim 2213's that I have stopped using because they take too much to clean and the impeller shafts are too fragile compared with the Aqua one I use. Also any parts I need are a lot more expensive for the 2214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Even if the smaller ones have bypass they are still pretty filthy and get the tanks clean so it doesn't really matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think that some level of bypass is a good thing because if there is no bypass and your media clogs up too much you end up over working and damaging the impeller where the bypass allows for some water to get past even if is is not being filtered it will be cooling down you pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 Aquaone - Canister Model: AQUIS 700 Number of Media Baskets: 3 Dimensions: 18.5 x 33 x 18.5cm Max Aquarium Volume: Up to 150L Operating Flow Rate*: 400L/hr Maximum Flow Rate**: 600L\hr Max Head Height: 1.7M Filter Volume: 6.5 Litres Power Requirements: 220 ~ 240V Power Consumption: 20W Suitable: Coldwater, Tropical, Marine Canister Model: AQUIS 1000 Number of Media Baskets: 2 Dimensions: 22 x 32 x 22cm Max Aquarium Volume: Up to 200L Operating Flow Rate*: 700L\hr Maximum Flow Rate**: 1000L\hr Max Head Height: 1.8M Filter Volume: 8.5 Litres Power Requirements: 220 ~ 240V Power Consumption: 30W Suitable: Coldwater, Tropical, Marine Canister Model: AQUIS 1200 Number of Media Baskets: 3 Dimensions: 22 x 40 x 22cm Max Aquarium Volume: Up to 250L Operating Flow Rate*: 750L/hr Maximum Flow Rate**: 1100L\hr Max Head Height: 2M Filter Volume: 12 Litres Power Requirements: 220 ~ 240V Power Consumption: 35W Suitable: Coldwater, Tropical, Marine * Operating flow rates are based on a typical set-up with the canister filter placed under the aquarium, in a cabinet complete with filter media, pumping to a total height of 120cm, not including spray bar or duck bill attachment. ** Maximum flow rates are based on measurements taken as the water exits the filter unit when it is positioned next to the aquarium with no filter media in the canister. The eheim 2213 is rated at 440LPH The Delivery head is 1.5m or 4'11" Filter Volume is 3L Consumes 8W of power Maximum installation height is 5'10'' or 180cm. Also, by the time you spend the $150 or so on eheim media that comes with the eheim, but doesn't come with the aquaone, they price is about par. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 The eheim 2213 is rated at 440LPH It that 440L Operating Flow Rate or Maximum Flow Rate. If it is Operating Flow Rate what is the Maximum Flow Rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 ... Also, by the time you spend the $150 or so on eheim media that comes with the eheim, but doesn't come with the aquaone, they price is about par. But the aqua one comes with perfectly good media that has always done me and the others I know who use them fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 That is the pump output with full media, sponges, and it being setup exactly as the manual specifies, and is measured at a maximum height of 180cm. Still; the eheim comes with $150 or so of media and the aquaone comes with $20 media. I'm just saying. Don't shoot me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2010 Report Share Posted August 20, 2010 But the aqua one comes with perfectly good media that has always done me and the others I know who use them fine i have only ever used the A1 media, is it not any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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