henward Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 ever had spontaneous death? i mean, one of my red melon medium sized discus, was eating well yesterday - fat and active. today i found it under a piece of wood, no scratches, freshly dead. weird. all other discus are active as normal - no discoloured poo (yes i watch the poo) :-? any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 No idea from that description. Forgive me if I am wrong here but by my count this is the 2nd death and you have another fish very sick that you want to give away because of a 4th that is in your hospital tank. I think you need to find out what the problem is because you are having a terrible time of it and I would really hate to see you loose any more. Do you know anyone in Auckland you can ask to come around to check things out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Fat is not always good. and i know there is no way i can know a fish is fat or lean by just looking at it, but aim at feeding healthy food. for a while switch solely to pellet food- food that has been specifically formulated for the species you are keeping. I know it is what I would be doing, and apart from that I can only echo what bilbo has just said. very sound advice. Think of it in this way. The food that you make may have a higher energy content than the pellet food. The energy that cannot be burned during the day is usually stored as fat. fat will eventually kill, just like in human beings. far fetched theory I know, but it wont hurt to switch to pellet food to see if that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Think of it in this way. The food that you make may have a higher energy content than the pellet food. The energy that cannot be burned during the day is usually stored as fat. fat will eventually kill, just like in human beings. far fetched theory I know, but it wont hurt to switch to pellet food to see if that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 yesh will switch to pelleted food for abit. i wouldnt say 'fat' litereally fat i mean not skinny in an abnormal way. i feed the fish twice a day, small portion of pellets in the day and beef mix at night. thats it. ill lay off on the beef for a bit though. i dont believe the deaths are related though. theone im giving away is more of a precaution, but i dont believe its diseased, i thin its just deformed lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 you don't have to be able to see the fish being fat for the damage to be done. its all on the inside. dissect it if you know how and see what's going on. on a large discus you may make the incision across the lateral line and then peel back slowly to expose some of the organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 There are all sorts of things that can kill fish that aren't obvious to us. My big fire eel dropped dead one day, couldn't find anything wrong with it (didn't dissect it though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 dissecting them can further your knowledge, fatty liver, kidneys, heart can be obvious but you may need a microscope for other diagnosis and a good disease book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Sorry for your Loss Henward Nothing worse than loosing a Fish or any other animal and NOT knowing why (Lost my Big Lop Earred Rabbit on Sunday, was fine Saturday afternoon, found him DEAD on Sunday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Maybe it's insides got a bit clogged up and it couldn't pass the food through the intestings or something? Could have eaten a stone or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Maybe it just died? It is pretty hard to tell and sometimes fish (like humans) do just drop dead for no apparent reason organ failure heart attack who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 yeah i have read that too not just discus jsut fish in general. bigger fish are different but apparently smaller fish, like neons - sometimse just die, tetras etc. i have had other opinions from purely discus keepers and tehy said that if water params are good, no sign of disease - sometimes like rj said, they jsut die - heart attack, organ failure, just death. i mean in the wild, they would die like that also i guess. just really sad, it was growing well, good colours. as for blocked up, usually you can tell signs of blocking up. bloat, lack of appetite, discolouration due to stress and internal damage. hard to explain - but i guess its just part of fish keeping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Unforunately it is part of Fiskeeping or any Animal keeping for that matter :roll: Just have to enjoy them while we have them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 A fighter bought off Adrienne spontaniously died on the way home in the bag =[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesarz Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I experimented on my reject guppies by giving them high fat food, they grew very fast and became fat. (Have you seen a fat guppy ) Then one by one they just die suddenly, very lively then suddenly dead. I disected them and they all had very fat internal organs which resembled fatty liver disease. I was also watching my prized breeder guppy male courting a female and suddenly died mid-courtship. I guess it was heart attack, he was not fat though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I was also watching my prized breeder guppy male courting a female and suddenly died mid-courtship. I guess it was heart attack, he was not fat though. He was probably a tad excited and stress with the watcher, or was it watchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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