livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 your support in the native wildlife battle is duly noted comrade barrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr pleco Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Actually phoenix is right isnt s/he doesnt the oxford dictonary define cute as small unusual and fury? Nav no wonder everyone thinks im cute then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 No And never would The first experiance I had with them was an elderly couple that had had theirs for ages. It slept in their room. It killed about a dozen show budgies. The second was a guy around the corner that I have discribed above Makes me wonder how many Kiwis they have killed ferrets v Kiwis.... only each person can decide the answer to that but I thinks it plain which side Im on Someone needs to genetically engineer kiwis to have claws and big teeth so they can defend themselves. But, I guess that poses a whole other dilema... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Someone needs to genetically engineer kiwis to have claws and big teeth so they can defend themselves. But, I guess that poses a whole other dilema... that would look like a feathery aligator? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I'm thinking more like a fat archaeopteryx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 i'd run with that ira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 It might be evil. but its still cute as lol. i love ferrets. used to play with them all the time. then they got "banned" and now I only get to play with the occasional old one. they have the cutest eyes, and twichy noses, and whiskers, and tongues. their teeth are evil. but they are still cute. send me babies mark ha ha. rusty will just get giggity gig with them, as he does other fluffy pets :lol: Navarre - I'm a he not a she or (s/he ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeh_buddy Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 If ferrets should be banned then cats should too. :evil: Oooo you have my vote about the cats being banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 send me babies mark ha ha. rusty will just get giggity gig with them, as he does other fluffy pets might be alright with the ones mystic had but a wild one would be a "no contest" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 i shall protect rusty lol. do you ever find baby ferrets? i suppose DOC deals with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 i hand reared one once from an inch long and hairless as to young ones sorry phoenix but i would put them down i am not a purist just a realist and even a pet one is potentially a loaded gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 yeah.... although they make fantastic pets, I think its sad that there is a wild population of them. they cause damage that's for sure... still wish i could have some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 i know a guy who spent $15,000 bringing 4 pet ferrets from the uk beautiful animals all rescued from a fur farm in the uk probably the biggest and best coloured and furred ferrets i have seen never attacked another animal in their lives i built him a huge steel cage and run for them cost $3,000 used to follow his daughters all over the farm until they didn't close the door properly one day 22 mandarin and carolina wood ducks dead in the morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 that is part of nature mystic and there is really no like or dislike about it as it balances itself out whereas man puts the balance out in nz man(woman included, lets share the blame) brought many animals etc to this country that are now problems he brought rabbits for food, fur and as pets , no predators for rabbits here just the odd hawk and falcon rabbits (surprisingly) bred like rabbits so he introduced mustelids to control them naturally, everyone had jobs back then no time to go shoot rabbit the poor old native animals had no chance as they hadn't had to deal with a major ground predator before and are easier pickings than rabbits, no contest as an example the nz and australian brown quail are taxonomically almost the same bird, the nz brown quail is thought to be almost extinct whereas the australian one is still running around nz the possible reason is the nz quail when approached would sit still and wait for you to walk over and pick it up, easy pickings whereas the aussie quail when approached too closely will startle and take off 2 different reactions the aussie bird evolved with a lot of ground predators with a keen sense of smell, the nz ones evolved with no ground predators (maybe the Weka) so didn't need to run so man mucked up the balance and man needs to fix it though it is probably too costly to do nowadays even one pregnant mustelid left is one too many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 rabbits Another great example of vermin being kept as pets, yet I still can't have my stingrays... :evil: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Another great example of vermin being kept as pets, yet I still can't have my stingrays... :evil: :evil: or snakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I think ferrets get an unfair deal really. Yes they're awful pests, but when they were allowed as pets they were far more controlled than cats or rabbits, it was rare to see an undesexed one for sale, and they were less likely than kittens to run wild and establish a colony. I owned several lovely ferrets from ferret rescue, who were all good with other animals but very carefully contained anyway, and one nasty nasty ferret from a bad background who gave me a few very painful bites, I don't doubt the last one could have survived in the wild but he couldn't have bred, and would have died off before too long. The blame for wild ferrets lies mostly on the fur farmers, there were several farms around the country who went bust and released their stock into the wild, 100's of starving entire ferrets ready to hunt and breed. Instead of a blanket ban, they should have enforced what was already happening, and made it illegal to own an entire ferret without a license, and had them mircochipped and registered. Most ferret owners were very responsible. Then they should have done the same thing with cats, and rabbits. I've got 22 cats here looking for homes, all because someone didn't want them anymore - they moved house, the cat had too many kittens, the novelty wore off.... All of them would be out roaming wild if we didn't trap them, and a few more controls on cat breeding and ownership would prevent it. I'd hate to see how many feral cats there are in the national parks around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 leave the snakes out of the situation barrie yes twinkles responsible owners would be ok all because someone didn't want them anymore - they moved house, the cat had too many kittens, the novelty wore off.... i think you summed up the problem there, humans are involved dog registration has been round awhile and we still have dogs roaming, biting and unregistered, so microchipping and registration does not fix the problem until everyone complies and you will never get full compliance so the only thing the powers that be can do is ban completely a ferret can't help eating to survive it is doing what comes naturally it is not a vegetarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Livingart The point I was trying to make is that there are a lot of things people would like to have but not very many that are not already here would be of benifit or the good of NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Dog rego does nothing because it isn't set up to do anything, except collect money. If you had to have a license to own an entire dog, and every dog who's owner wasn't licenced was picked up and rehomed/euthanised, it wouldn't take long before the majority of people would be desexing them, pups would all be sold desexed, dogs would be worth more with less people breeding indiscriminatly, and we'd have less problems with aggressive/wandering dogs, since most of those are un-neutered boys. Need firm laws, no second chances for people once the rules are in place, and to motivate people to dob in anyone breaking them. It sounds like too much government control, and people would hate it, but send all the dog owners who are against it to the pound to choose who gets to die that day and they would change their minds. Anyway, to bring it back to the point, ferrets are in the same unfortunate position as alot of other animals, being hated for returning to their instincts and the wild after their owners got bored. Blame the people, not the animals. Good on you for trapping this guy though, and i'm sure he was killed humanely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 don't worry it was very quick and about a humane as you can get i love all animals, insects etc just some are in the wrong place or hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Sorry for your losses livingart I certainly do not want to debate anything about the animals the only thing I will say is that yes many kill to survive where as humans ( who are supposed to be more intelligent, compassionate, etc. etc.) will kill for no reason. That's all I wanted to say and of course sorry to livingart for his losses :-? Caper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 sadly ferrets kill for no reason as well 5 dead birds and only one partially eaten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 livingart wrote: sadly ferrets kill for no reason Ah, what do they eat then? Caper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 they take a bite or two from one In both the times they distroyed some of my birds, they only ate a very small amount of one. The rest were left with their necks ripped out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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