snookie Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Have they all sold ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 I think they were confiscated Maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 confiscated? That's ridiculous! :evil: :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 I think they may have been BLACK listed??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 on what grounds ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 MAF/DOC/ERMA actually need grounds to do things like that?? I thought they could just change their minds about stuff for no valid reason, detain people at airports when ever they feel like it, confiscate legal animals etc etc.... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 as far as i know confiscated and destroyed strange for an animal that was introduced into nz years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 we all know that this si done regularly by those names we do not speak of... ok we do but its cooler to say we dont speak of it so its more mysterious. but its not really..................anyways it is sad, they have been here for awhile i hear. and not a threat to our birds! they dont have a liking to eggs benedict do they? 8) noreason is needed DOC is trying to stop captive breeding and rearing of native lizards... beacuse they dont like it being bred in private. wonder why, if its endagered, and we can breed moreo f it... isnt that better? i would like to hear of a DOC representative actually say why in fact someone here or the president should arrange a seminar, and invote DOC and MAF people to come and talk to us with REAL reasons why things are happening and said and their stance on certain things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 I would love too hear the reason why , so blueys ,beardies ,etc..could be destoyed for no reason , if them above decide . the frogs could of gone to the zoo atleast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 jeez a herp dealer is treated worse than a drug dealer here !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Not surprising - it is a very addictive hobby :lol: Can you black list a white frog? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 very clever caryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 clever :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 When the question was asked previously the answer was that they were being kept by the government at taxpayers expense so I assume they have not been destroyed but contained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 contained in the freezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_man Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 DOC is trying to stop captive breeding and rearing of native lizards... beacuse they dont like it being bred in private. Mod = Warren: Coarse language removed. There were some Whites tree frogs that came into the country illegally last year. Maybe they are from that shippment and not from wild populations that died out many years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 so if an illegal importation happened last year was anyone prosecuted over it and frogs seized? or is that based on heresay and surely dna testing would have proven that the current lot were the same gene pool mind you though the original legal releases could have been from the same genetic lines too probably no dna records for the originals though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 matt man i do research because i had to jump through flaming hoops to get my native lizard license!! when exotic lizards are harder to rear than the nz native ones to begin with. i ask the guy he said, well, he believes that its good to keep them in captivity cos it guarantees they never go extinct but he said that the general attitude of DOC is that they dont like people keeping and breeding native lizards!! that is what was said, and tha tis what im saying if a doc person comes in and then they can correct me. If you are a doc person, then you can correct me in writing and explain to ALL OF US, why its so hard to keep nz natives? i guarantee that alot of the breeders of reptiles here can breed the Edit Billaney - Come on guys all you do is make it hard for the mods Not to ban you out of tuataras etc perhaps. but you know govt red tape that stops it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 maf/biosecurity trying to prosecute me for 'illegal inportation'. All were confiscated and although zoos have applied to keep them as containment facility animals they will not be approved. Although I have affadavits from people that have had then within the last 20 years it does not look good. MAF claims they are no longer present in the wild, so they must have come in illegally. They wre sold by Select A Pet and Johnnie Walkers in the 1980's so it would be reasonable to assume these are stock derived from these. In the case of birds if the adults are of dubious origin then they can be confiscated, but any young are classed as bred here and not illegal...why this does not apply to reptiles/frogs is beyond me and no explanation has been given. Since National has come to power and requested that all expenditure be accounted for, many of these guys are aware their jobs are on the line and want to make a name for themselves. There is no difference between beardeds, leopards, blueys etc and these frogs...a total waste of tax payer dollars. Basically I should I have kept them under the radar so to speak, but I am sick of this hobby have 'illegal' conotations simply because the authorities do not have the knowledge or sense to create a licensing system to establish what is here and what is not. Asking other people that have them to come forward is a waste of time as they may be subject to the same persecution and harrassment. Basically these guys make the rules as they go and when they are questioned they shirk all responsibility to those higher up the ladder. Ridgetails, Day Geckos, Iguanas, Lace Monitors, Mulga Monitors, Water Monitors, Frillies, Jackson's Chameleons are ALL in private hands. Ex Zoo animals or illegally imported or imported when regulations were not in place? Who knows...it seems that as long as you keep under the radar and treat the hobby like an illegal activity you will be fine...but try to legitimise things and you get a bunch of wanabe cops come down on you. The moral of the story is beware and do not keep records of who you get your animals from....ever. All kinds of exotic birds can be bought/sold/traded. Bio 101...Birds are warm blooded and can naturalise and compete with natuve fauna. Reptiles are cold blooded and can not regulate their own body temp...NONE of the species above can naturalise and peer reviewed data supporting this is available to anyone that can spell 'google'. As long as there are no proper rules this stupity will continue. And for the record I have handed any animal that I have come accross that is either cites 1 or stolen...emerald monitors and day geckos, so I do have morals. MAF could not even keep that under their hats as they promised. A story on the emeralds ran in the herald the day after handed them in with credit given to MAF's investigators. Says it all really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 its pathetic how the law is applied selectively. Honestly.. if you can afford frogs like that - would you really chuck them in the wild? bit like introducing red aros in the local rivers really - No one is stupid enough to do it... and those that can afford them are smart enough not to introduce to our native eel friends. There is no way they would survive in the wild - but NO! its ok to have cockatoos flying around the place cause they aren't deemed a large enough threat. But a thousand odd dollar frog that would never make it in winter cause its cold blooded is far too much of a threat. I mean what does genetics show right? :evil: Tragic.. and im sorry for your loss. those frogs were awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 H, have you written to Rodney Hide, the Minister for Regulatory Reform? My former boss who runs a plant nursery wrote him a big email detailing the stupid rules and regulations surrounding the importing of plants and seeds (its as bad as reptiles and fish, hundreds of species imported pre-mid-90's are now being bred here, legally, but aren't on the list and are supposedly not here. Seeds can easily be imported, but the list is so incomplete and foolishly designed. People have had collections raided, plants confiscated etc too). Write him a letter explaining the situation with herps in general, and what has happened to you and see if he can help. If the bureaucrats are trying to do something to make themselves look good, you might as well go to the person who's going to give them the chop and arm them with the necessary information to get rid of them and get some realistic sensible laws in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Makes me wonder about this so called reptile research that some are getting involved with :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melrick1 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 agreed snooki, with all that has gone on you realy wouldnt want to risk it. Sad realy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I just think it really stinks what they have done to you Varonophile Is there nothing at all anyone can do for you? I have no idea how MAF etc works but have heard of a few situations where they have not made the best call on things... Really sorry to hear about the situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westmike Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Funny no ones seen Whites tree frogs in ages, sounds a little dodge to me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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