axolotl-danio Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 because my local petshop said they cant i would not do it i am just interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 a morphed axolotl (salamander) is classed as an unwanted organism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake kid Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 it is possible but uses chemicals galore to make them they often die it is inhuman to make them they would need an injection to stay a live every few months if it is sexualy mature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 can also be done without too much chemicals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 :bounce: My friend, years ago when we were in form 3 (now called year 9) had an axolotyl. It was the first time i'd ever seen one. Hers had morphed, don't quite know how she did it and would assume it was accidental. She used to her axy in a square acrylic tank and had it set up a bit like a taddie/frog tank with water and a big rock sticking out. I guess it just learn't to climb up on the rock because it could!! Lived for flippin years too from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzoom1 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 May I ask what a morphed axolotl actually looks like? I tried googling it but the search didn't really come up with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 i would geuss similar to a newt, gills retract etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzoom1 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 What about colouration? Would they just be the same colour as they were when they were axolotls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 mole salamander not much colouration except the golds try this will explain most of the axolotl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzoom1 Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 thanks livingart mole salamaders look pretty cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 remember the axolotl we have in nz is Ambystoma mexicanum not a tiger salamander which is prettier http://www.axolotl.org/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 the axies i had were handled & brought out of their tanks regularly through out their lives. from what people had told me, they gradually get used to air. My son would take mine out for 10 mins at a time & they were fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantezGirl Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 this is just my opinion and by no means a dig at any body but i think it is cruel to have axolotls out of water for extended periods of time just so they can "walk" around they do have legs and a tiny set of primitive? lungs but they are only supposed to morph if there environment is polluted or inhospitable again my opinion and thoughts the life of a morphed axolotl is apparently a short one and not a very happy one although as always there are exceptions to the rule again just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 it is possible but uses chemicals galore to make them they often die it is inhuman to make them they would need an injection to stay a live every few months if it is sexualy mature BOLLOCKS!! Where did you hear that, you are not talking from experience which is obvious. The purpose of a forum is to shed light not spread rubbish!!!! All they need is natural thyroxin, not the synthetic thyroxin. Contrary to all the myths they can live just as long as a non-morphed axolotyl- this myth was started by a book written in the late 80's by a person who knows plenty about frogs but nothing about other amphibians. They express different colours than than non-morphed form. Best colour to morph is black because the salamander is dotted. Natural thyroxin is cheap and can be sourced easily, with reference to the 'unwanted organism' tag, that says more about MAF than the dangers of 'mutant aggressive salamanders' lol.... If you are serious then do your research!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 You could chat up your local butcher but Maf might think you are a naughty person and then you might never get to heaven. Is there any point in having one morphed other than morbid curiosity? I guess, if they wanted to morph they would do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 You could chat up your local butcher but Maf might think you are a naughty person and then you might never get to heaven. Is there any point in having one morphed other than morbid curiosity? I guess, if they wanted to morph they would do so. don't in the lakes where they come from as iodine poor water. WIKIPEDIA SAYS In the axolotl, metamorphic failure is caused by a lack of thyroid stimulating hormone, which is used to induce the thyroid to produce thyroxine in transforming salamanders. The genes responsible for neoteny in laboratory animals may have been identified, however they are not linked in wild populations, suggesting artificial selection is the cause of complete neoteny in laboratory and pet axolotls. Unlike some other neotenic salamanders (Sirens and Necturus), Axolotls can be induced to metamorphose by an injection of iodine (used in the production of thyroid hormones) or by shots of thyroxine hormone. Another method for inducing transformation, though one that is very rarely successful, involves removing an axolotl in good condition to a shallow tank in a vivarium and slowly reducing the water level so that the axolotl has difficulty submerging. It will then, over a period of weeks, slowly metamorphose into an adult salamander. During transformation, the air in the vivarium must remain moist, and the maturing axolotl sprayed with a fine mist of pure water. The odds of the animal being able to metamorphose via this method are extremely small, and most attempts at inducing metamorphosis lead to death. This is likely due to the strong genetic basis for neoteny in laboratory and pet axolotls, which means that few captive animals have the ability to metamorphose on their own. Spontaneous metamorphosis has been known to occur very rarely, but attempts to do so artificially are best left to trained scientists. Artificial metamorphosis also dramatically shortens the axolotl's lifespan, if they survive the process. A neotenic axolotl will live an average of 10–15 years (though an individual in Paris is credited with achieving 25 years), while a metamorphosed specimen will scarcely live past the age of five. The adult form resembles a terrestrial Mexican Tiger Salamander, but has several differences, such as longer toes, which support its status as a separate species. Last bit contradicts what I said earlier, but I have known of a salamander 15 years old... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake kid Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 sorry thats just what I'd been told by a friend do you have a morphed axylotyl if so could you put up a picture of yours any way what do you feed a morphed one and are they easy to keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 A morphed axy is an unwanted organism so anyone who admits to having one and puts up a picture would have to be a blond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 A morphed axy is an unwanted organism so anyone who admits to having one and puts up a picture would have to be a blond. man, that is so weird, those lists are based on scientific names, genus, etc. Morphed and Unmorphed are the same species...how can they be serious..mind you 'capybara'(sp?) was on the last list of reptiles in NZ.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DantezGirl Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 for those of you curious to know more check this out it is a thread from the axolotl.org website forums about a naturally morphed axolotl and has before and after pics http://www.caudata.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51411 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 There are a number of ways to get them to morph but I would go along with the idea that if it wanted to it would so why not let it be. They are the only animal that will breed in its juvenile form that I am aware of so there is no need to force them to morph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzled Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 WOW! I always learn something when I come here. I am going to sound really thick lol but I had NO idea that axies were in their juvenile state, now I have read it it makes sense lol but I really had no clue :oops: :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 ...and never ever feed your Axolotl frog tadpoles cheers, steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Why not? I did ask this question in a german Axolotl forum after I did read in an english Axolotl book from 1981 that I could feed tadpoles to Axolotl. I nearly got lynched just for asking that question :an!gry . beside the danger to introduce chytrid fungus into your aquarium there is an enzim or chemical in tadpoles which they need for the metamophosis and this enzim or chemical can trigger the metamorphose in Axolotl as well if they eat tadpoles. in germany it is not against the law to keep morphed Axolotl (Salamander) but it is against the law to force them into metamorphosis. (and each and every native reptile or amphibian are protected by law and the fines are very high so no tadpoles from the pond for your pets) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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