philosophy king Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Is it even possible by individuals? If so, what are the procedures and the costs? Wanna get Asian Arowanas(Green, Gold etc), but cant get in NZ so thinking about importing, please offer me some advise/ info. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 All im going to say is that you will need a few thousand dollars (read 10K) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 If it was easy (and cheap) a lot more of us would be doing it. You need a LOT of money and a quarantine facility to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Yeah and you'll probably find all the cool stuff you want to import wont be on the list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophy king Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 If it was easy (and cheap) a lot more of us would be doing it. You need a LOT of money and a quarantine facility to start. You mean i need to have my own quarantine facility? secondly is there a company which can provide this sort of service? Lastly, do we have any Asian AROs or Asian ARO breeders in NZ at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afrikan Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 You need import licences etc to, alot of expense to set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannet Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 you can get asians aros in NZ, there was a red tailed golden on TM last year... and i think at one stage jansens had gold in but dont quote me on that, ive just heard stories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 You either need your own facility or know someone with one who would be willing to help. Others have tried to find someone without success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 As a fish keeper of strange desires and belonging to an exclusive club, we/I have tried for years to get someone (importer) to provide us with a facility to Q fish that we source from overseas. A quote last year was $800 per tank. It appeared obvious that he didn't want to help. I'm told that there is in the pipeline, an importer that will, when the facility is up and running, will do just this for us, but once again $300 seems pretty high per tank. I have now been in touch personally with a person who will help me out, (read me) to bring in killies , and I have several members that are interested in this venture. I hope to meet up shortly to see the facilities and enter into more discussions about it. At the moment there are two species going thru Q. I cannot discuss more than I have here, but as you can see, it's not an easy task to find a friendly importer. Years ago, when you could have a backyard shed for a Q station, we had a member of the club import for us, but alas, those days are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophy king Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 In conclusion, "too bad" :evil: :evil: Anyway, Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim r Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I would be interested in looking into the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 if you have heaps and heaps of cash and handle stress and hassles REALLY well then it would be worth looking into :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Anyone can import fish if they either get the correct permits and organise a quarantine facility or find a quarantine facility with an owner who will to do it all for you. The $800 Alan is talking about is quite fair. Firstly, the permits to bring in the fish take some time to fill out and cost to have processed. Then the owner has to go to the airport to meet customs/MAF who clears the import. Then the MAF agent has to go to the quarantine facility and check the fish (at $100/hour). Then over the 6 weeks Q period, theres water changes and more MAF inspections. Finally there is the final MAF clearance for Q release. After all the fees, the Q facility owner would be hard pressed to see more than $300-400 for all the hard time spent collecting and looking after the fish and that not including overheads (power, phone, mortgage, tax etc etc...) $300 is very cheap for a quarantine tank. At that price the tank is being offered as a service. If you are considering importing and using a Q facility, you'll need to organise the shipment to arrive on the Q facility intake date. If not it will miss the 6 week cycle and may be rejected by the owner. To delay all their other tanks release date if your shipment is late will be very costly. Time is money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 An exporter is unlikely to want to supply you with just the very best selection of fish when they aready have other customers, say in the States who are spending squillions and are looking for fancy stuff as well. The biggest importers in NZ would be total pretenders compared to some out there in countries with a far greater population. I understand the quarantine requirements have changed and you can have shipments with different release dates provided they are physically seperated. I was probably the last person to import goldfish and I had 7 inspections in 6 weeks. Have a go (if you are a masochist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Yeah, good point. We tend to forget how tiny the NZ market is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I understand the quarantine requirements have changed and you can have shipments with different release dates You can however again at $100/hr plus gst it is not cheap so having multiple release dates is not always good option to have MAF come out just to release a few tanks. I think even though NZ does not bring in millions of fish and are on the smaller size we do get a very good selection and the only reason we do miss out on the more exotic fish sometimes is that we don’t ship weekly like all importers overseas as they don’t have quarantine. Shipping ever week gives you a far better chance of getting the stock you want as it is more likely to be available before it goes. There are a lots of computations and permutations when importing so it is not as easy as many think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Hi All; Having read the prevoius posts, I've decided that I should add my two pennith worth as an importer of earlier days. I had what was then, a recognised quarantine facility and imported a shipment every 2 months. I imported both fish and plants, in fact most of the cryptocorynes that were available in the mid to late 70's were imported by me. I was also the first, I believe to import what was the "Pelmatachromis thomasi" and today I cant get one unless I import them. To digress a tad, for the information of those who think they know all, (but are only guessing) I will give validation to the incompetence of "ERMA" who now control MAF to oversee the importation of "TROPICAL FISH & PLANTS". I hold an explosive license for "FIREWORK DISPLAYS", the grading is CATEGORY 1 EXPLOSIVES. Much higher than my or any firearms license. ERMA set up the requisite regulations based on what the Australians use when setting off displays. This "Australian STANDARD" is not used by Pyrotechnicians in NZ because it isn't safe; but the Head of ERMA, one Noel McCardle who publicly admitted he knew nothing about fireworks set up the relevent regulations, WITHOUT CONSULTATION with the industry. Two people have been severely injured through that incompetence, but to save face they won't amend the regulations. They are "NO DIFFERENT" when it comes to knowing anything about matters piscine and anybody that trust them doesnt do the hobby any good. It is now just a money making venture/enterprise for the government, and all it does for the hobby is to increase prices whilst restricting the importation of fish and plants. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 can your fish shop not get them for you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 You could ask an importer to get them in for you if they can get them from their normal supplier and you are prepared to pay for the risk i.e YOU PAY DEAD OR ALIVE. It would only be economical if they came in with a normal shipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophy king Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Still have 2 question worth enquiring. 1. Are there any Asian Arowana Breeders/suppliers in NZ? If not 2. What are the "biggest names" in the tropical fish import industry and how can i get in contact with them?(yellow pages?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishboi Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 no there is no Asian arro breeders out side of Asia. not sure about importing companies but Jansen's has a few reds about 3 years back so why not talk to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophy king Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 can your fish shop not get them for you?? I did ask how to get Asian Aros in general, just a chat, i didnt ask them to get it for me in any serious way. that guy(who works there, not the boss)wasn't sure either nor asked me if i wanna order it from their shop. i thought its easier to consult with you guys first. :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_elmo Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 well i'm in for a asain aro if you do find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowfax Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 good luck, i always thought if they are allowed in the country then there must be someone that is able to bring them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylefish02 Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 redwoods aquatics in chch give them a ring (be willing to pay tho) kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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