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I like Joe, sounds like a good bloke. Probably in IT.

thats twice you've said that layton Go Wasp!!

That green stags looks like its going well Craig, hows the teal doing??. Have a good trip, bring back some tank goodies.

should have kept quiet, people lining up to break pieces off now

Aren't we going around in circles here??

well, I'm off to get another fish tonight, no worries with all that extra water volume that my refugium gives me :lol: Misnomas hawkfish actually.

swapped your 902 for one yet pies??

My sixline keeps the main tank clean of them, refugium has plenty - added diversity. They are one of those pests that were much maligned early on in this hobby, but increasing awareness now that the don't affect anything and can be controlled naturally. You need to control nutrients as they will multiply quickly in nutrient rich water. You can zap them with flatworm exit, but different opinions exist over whether this is necessary, and worth the effort if there are other ways to keep them under control

not yet, was going to take some end Sept, which would show the growth from july, which is when I last put up 2 months growth (may - july). Might have to do it sooner.

No worries Craig, damn acros going berserk at present, having to chop bits off them to avoid full blown coral war. Acros win over pocis thats for sure. Blue and green stags growing daily and will be out of the water within the next few days. Had to cut purple stag (the weeping one )as its growing into a poci, a leather and fire coral, and the glass. Anyone wanting frags, nows the time.

as per P T&E, you didn't look very hard, I've got a big yellow and big PBT. Otherwise I'd grab him in a flash, thats one gorgeous fish with a bad attitude

Have you got those lights going Skippy, and if so hows everything taking the shock?

There was only one who did not agree.

now, ain't that the truth.

from what I read in Crackers statement, he's simply saying more water can support a higher bioload. Surely you dont disaggree with that. I can't see where he claimed that your nutrients will be lower? Alot of us run with almost 0 Nitrate and 0 Phospahate so nutrient dilution isn't an issue.

Whats the point of this Layton?? At the beginning of this thread, it was generally agreed that refugiums (thats right, look at the subject) were not good for nutrient export. Everyone agreed. They have a number of other points that are positive, including adding system volume, which does provide stability, I don't think there is any argument in that, and is also good for dilution of nutrients in a one off problem or mistake albeit short term, i.e. if I accidently tip a whole cannister of food into my tank, or a large anenome dies. I'd much rather have either of these happen in a 1000l thank than a 250l tank. Don't you think you are spending alot of unnecessary time explaining a theory that no one is really going to ever use. I think we all understand that if a skimmer can only remove 80% of the waste products, you can dilute all you want, but eventually all water will end up with the same % of nutrient as the smaller volume started with, skimmer etc being equal. What if you ref contained live rock, live sand, macro algae etc. They all remove nutrients as well as the skimmer. Can't see the point in this.

long nose butterfly eats most of mine.

very nice JDM, good work. Natural seawater too

you and your vodka, much better in a cosmopolitan!

but cracker, you've got that nice green bubble tip :lol:

nice to see pies in fine form Sorry Chim, you know how we all get sensitive about ou r tanks