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Yes that, or a little more, maybe 1 1/2 pounds per gallon, used to be the general rule. But now with improved husbandry / equipment, less can be more! Fay, Bergsy has been posting on Reef Central for years, I would think a search may find some of his pics. He used to be a big time critic of zeovit at one point, although nice about it. But he has obviously come around. :lol: For me, I am nearly ready to get my new tank fired up, hence the interest in rocks / aquascaping. Unfortunately this has always been one of my weak points. I have a rock borer urchin who is VERY cool and MUST be part of my new tank. Looks like a little hedgehog walking around! However he is also a little bulldozer and pushes rocks around and causes rock slides. So for this tank I want to stick all the rocks together somehow to prevent this. The difficulty is these rocks are already covered in growth & corals that I want to retain, so any sticking together will have to be done wet. Anybody can give me any advice or tips at all? I'll be real pleased to hear it.

Thought this link might turn into an interesting thread. There is a definate trend to less rock nowadays, perhaps enabled by the better skimmers etc. Frees up room for the livestock too. Anyway, here it is. http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5976

Very nice Tony and good step by step photography. I've just been doing exactly the same thing myself although probably not to such a high standard, one thing is it's surprising how long it all takes! Be interested to follow your progress.

If you do not have enough white vinegar, brown will do the same job. Just if you buy some specially, get white it has less impurities.

I guess breeding colour variations is OK, but to me, a marine tank is about looking as close to nature as possible. Hope they don't end up with anything like those boggle eyed goldfish, and other deliberate deformities, which I think is cruel.

I should add also, that as the Stream becomes clogged, the operating temperature becomes warmer. It is this that triggers the alarm and stops the Stream, as a safety precaution. So even if the Stream is stopped, it can simply be left a while to cool, and then placed in the bucket with vinegar, it should start again to begin the cleaning process.

I've got a Stream, and a Seio, very happy with them both! You do get more quality with the Stream, but you pay for it. So it's just a matter of personal choice no point in argument. You're still fired up from the other thread that was moderated Layton. The alarm is a great feature of the Stream, first time it went off it had me wondering what it was too! One thing about cleaning the Stream, when I pulled mine apart, like the shmuck I am :lol: , I damaged a nylon screw, and had to hunt high and low for another one. So what I do now is put the Stream in a bucket of water with 1/2 a bottle of vinegar, and run it for a day. Comes out spotlessly clean inside and out, and no risk of damage.

Could swap for one fish eating black trigger, looking for a new tank! :lol: Actually not quite true, it has been re housed. ( Thank goodness! )

Oh now I see it! The post subject! Never realised you could do that!

Layton you are wrong!!!!! Nah just kidding!!! :lol: . My little joke . You've got it together with rock cooking, good post!

Don't follow you Zev? All I get from it is you are from the same area as Afrikan, who has appeared, and made 2 posts. What am I missing? Don't dissagree with you Pomereef. I am a shmuck. However, I do think, that an apology, sincerely offered, should be accepted. For me anyway, however I've been wronged, if I get a sincere apology I would never give them the cold shoulder.

Well since you asked...... Sometimes you are hysterical! To say you have not attacked Zeovit is ludicrous, your attitude to it has been obvious for years now. You will not fool anyone trying to pretend you are neutral on the subject. Here are some of your typical subtle attacks on Zeovit, and attempts to attack the integrity of the manufacturer, that you have been doing for years. Hardly the words of a neutral person with a “genuine interest†Only since you asked And there's plenty more where they came from! The good news though is there are some true statements, here are 3 of them :-

Why post this stuff that proves nothing? You do that all the time. For example the pages of stuff you posted during our phosphate "discussion" a while back. You were trying to prove that orthophosphate only exists when all other "sinks" are saturated, but nothing you posted proved that. Didn't stop you posting pages of stuff though. Couldn't see your point myself, other than that you hoped maybe you might blind people with "science".

You have "discussed" the product for years. You read everything on Zeovit.com. Surely you know how it works by now? Your so called "discussions" are really just arguing, which you enjoy. I will give you that in this thread you have raised some seemingly genuine questions, however the general thrust as always is to call into question the integrity of the product. Here is a typical example of the way you constantly try to question the integrity of the product, and the manufacturer. Basically here you are accusing them of lying to get money. If you insist on making these attacks, you should prove it, but you never have. I cannot believe your “discussions†are genuine. To be straight up, you are obsessed with attacking the product, and no doubt frustrated by the fact you are not fooling anyone.

Well the edit function does not seem to be working, I'll have to add another post. Layton you have never proved anything about Zeovit. Can't see why continue carrying on like this, other than your love of argument. You are not going to be told the recipe.

Degrade the thread? That's rich coming from you Layton!! Why would I degrade my own thread? If I was not such a nice guy I would be seriously insulted by what you have done to my thread. You do it to every Zeovit thread. Cookie is correct, you have no genuine interest in Zeovit.

Cool idea! And good results!

Bit rich coming from you Layton. Let’s see… I guess low grade personal slurs such as the following will improve the tone of the thread. All this in only your last post…… Of course, you are wrong in all 3 cases, in your desire to put me down, you leapt to the wrong conclusions again. It did not slip my mind. I do remember your so called “discussion†on zeospur, and as I recall you failed on that occasion to prove it is a fertilizer. Still waiting for you to prove what you say, which reminds me that despite your repeated attempts over the last couple of years to discredit Zeovit, you have never been able to prove one thing that contradicts what Zeovit say about their product…. You say you hope we are now “on the same pageâ€. These types of insidious remarks you aim at me, that seem to creep into a lot of your posts, are not a clever way to get me “on the same pageâ€. None the less, I am a forgiving fellow and will move past this as I normally do, to your questions. You appear to think I have to answer every question you ever ask. Please understand that while I am happy to answer genuine questions, I do not feel duty bound to come running and answer every question you ever ask. I may not have time, or may simply not be bothered. So, genuine questions I may answer. Questions that have been asked and answered before, I will likely not waste my time answering again, I do feel I’ve done enough of that type of thing with you. Plus questions that are asked to be argumentative, or to hint at some vague unproveable theory, I will likely not waste my time. So, on this occasion you have asked mainly useful questions, here they are, with the answers - Asking what they say is in it, is asking what is in it, isn’t it! LOL. However, if you check what I said, I was not merely referring to this thread. I was referring to the many times over the last couple of years that you have asked what is in it, despite being repeatedly told this info will not be given to you. I do admire your persistence. However, sorry dude, you’re wasting your time. That’s asking what’s in it, again, isn’t it? LOL. Useful question though! I have not looked at the manual for quite a while, I got my own info on it from discussions with advanced users in the US, and Germany, who kindly relayed questions and answers, direct from the manufacturer. Of course, the recipe was NOT included. ( Ha Ha )! As previously stated I do not know the recipe and cannot answer this from personal knowledge. However, following the last time you claimed it was acting as fertilizer, I had discussions via an intermediary with the manufacturer, who told me it was not acting as a fertilizer. No doubt you will not consider this “proofâ€, however, from my point of view, I have a choice to take your word that it acts as fertilizer, or the manufacturers word that it does not. I am going on the assumption that the people who make it, and have success with it, would know more. I have seen claims ( nothing personal, this is from more than one person, in the days when Zeobashing was a popular pastime for some), that Zeovit corals may look good and grow well because they are being poisoned. This claim is unproved, and does not stack up. I still think ludicrous is a fair description. Even leaving the aquarium, and moving to the garden, if I plant something and it grows well and looks good, I will be pleased, and believe it is healthy. I will give you that there may be some bizarre and rare exception, but this will certainly be the general rule. On this occasion, no. Other than your wrong assumptions about me (don’t pay attention, etc…) I don’t think you made anything up. Generally a good post. Hope this is some help, just don’t ask what the ingredients are again LOL ! Cheers!

Then why did you ask? Every time I answer your questions, I get a response like that, or else more argument. I find it very discouraging to even answer your questions. Also, you have been told many times that you will not be told the secret ingredients of the Zeovit products. But you still come back and keep asking what's in it! How many more times will you have to be told before it sinks in? Sometimes I don't even answer your questions because I've already answered the exact same question before, often more than once. I think you just ask these questions to be argumentative.

I don't know what it is, but I do know it is not a fertilizer. I also do not have a full understanding of how it works. It is one of the hardest Zeovit products to figure out, what seems obvious, is not in the end, the full story. However, it does work. Just that is not good enough for everybody, and that's their business. However it does bring out the colours, and after a few doses, growth rate is improved. Please nobody tell me better growth is not a sign of good health, that's ludicrous. Also Layton no amount of argument from you is going to make Thomas Pohl hand over the recipe. You may as well give up if that's your plan, it won't happen. :lol: Doubt your guesswork is going to furnish the goods either, interesting as it is to speculate. It's all been tried before, by some very clever minds. And to those who don't think it is fair we are not told what is in the Zeovit products, look at it like this. The inventor, Thomas Pohl, who makes his living from marine, has spent many years developing this product. Now at last he is able to make some money from it. Why would he hand the recipes to any Tom Dick or Harry who asked for it. If I had spent many years and much money developing something like this, I certainly would not be telling everyone how to make it. Course I'd like to know, but there are very good reasons. The guy has done the work, and deserves the payoff.

You'll have to figure it out Layton I've been told by an expert in these matters, that this is the Socratic method :lol: :lol: :lol:

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You are telling me you don't know anybody who has not followed instructions? And you don't know anybody who thinks he is so smart he will try to confidently out guess the manufacturer? Never met any such person, right? :lol:

Yes, the first time I used it I was VERY worried. The results were STUNNING, the corals were glowing, the tank looked like it had a light coming out of it. While it looked awesome, I was worried something bad may happen. I therefore posted on Zeovit.com asking about it, as I'm sure you will already know. However, more experienced users questioned me about it & then reassured me all would be well, which it was. Zeovit.com is a great site! Nonetheless, I have scaled back my dosage since that time. It is only people who can't or won't read instructions, or who think they know more about the product than the manufacturer, who overdose and run into problems. This applies to many reef products, not just the Zeovit range.