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some were. most raised in rain water. or water from my troughs full of daphnia, also tried green water, grass infusoria etc.. same result. if it was something like tap water causing it. id would have thought the ewingii and the standard bell frogs ive raised would of faced the same problem. then again maybe the albinos are more sensitive therefore displayed the effect. :dunno:

thinking about it now, i was a bit in denial ever letting bent ones morph :facepalm: in my defence though. 95% were culled as tadpoles, when the defect was noticeable. some of the small frogs looked ok. but as they grew the bent spine became more obvious.

worth getting some if they are indeed from the yellow mother. i promise i wont outbid you this time :lol: i'd totally forgotten about that :oops:

wild ones seem to pop up from time to time so it's not impossible to get more if nature provides. new blood is probably the only way. instinct tells me all bent should be culled. i really just want to see hundreds of straight albino frogs jumping around. dreams a free they say. time i actually had something breed successfully for a change. just cos something is deformed doesnt mean it isnt healthy i can produce plenty of 'healthy' bent frogs, just unethical to distribute. Unless the bent frogs miraculously produce straight tadpoles/frogs, but that's highly unlikely.

Just had the tour, big thanks to Foxja The big aquarium looks even better in real life. Then there's the mudfish and even some weta !drool:

The albinos originate in NZ. None overseas as far as I am aware.

:dunno: but you probably don't want too much light on albinos. may be ok though, but keep an eye on them. NZ sun is intense. Even indoors the frogs still seem to know when it is raining outdoors. :nilly:

True that lol. probably would of been better going to you :oops: Nope only ever got that one off tm. Breeding a split to her should be interesting. otherwise may have to start again with normal male frogs :-? They can be tricky to breed. Very easy to get croaking and even amplexing, but if the females arnt ready they just wont lay. Brumating helps but Im not sure it is necessary. So does rain, LOTS of food, temps, water parameters, noises, maybe even air pressure? and so on. Sometimes they just breed, like when i added normal males to my albinos, they laid eggs the next day, other times they do everything but lay eggs. Does get frustrating eh.

She looks very similar to a female I purchased off tm last year ($91 8) ). photos where blury, seller said no red eyes. I got it sent to me, was a skinny runt and sure enough it had red eyes. Is pale like the above, she's a beautiful looking frog now.

Normal females out side... are they split? If not I can give you a couple of adult female splits if you want to try them ... Would be interesting to put your male over them. As ive only had normal male and males split for albino do the deed with albino females. Never an albino male.

I have green frogs from the same batch as what the albinos came from. The % of greens were no where near as bent as the albino's. They may or may not be split. May try add them to the mix at some stage if still in the game when they get to size. Any luck breeding them Jason? Have you got a female?

tried more calcium in the frogs diet. but haven't tried on tadpoles. I still have two albino tadpoles from a spawn last year :-? they actually look ok, but are just taking forever to morph. The leuc on tm (looks albino). When I bred a normal male frog to an albino. all eggs were white. would have suspected the same with the frog on tm. Not sure I believe they have been bred. The seller didnt even know what frog species they have. :roll: Reports of the other changing back to green. no proof of breeding. Not worth it. + the back of the leuc looks suss

can someone please edit out the double ups of the above pic. little tu meke eh this is the same frog. I expected to see some sort of growth on the bone. Other than the bone being bent they're surprisingly healthy. Nothing like the green machines but still strong.

A large commercial breeder (overseas) of L. aurea is also having similar problems with the standard green aurea stock they have...

Yep. I have even tried raising them under sunlight. They hatch ok, but 99% develop bent spines prior to morphing. Noticed this in the beginning when bred normal male frog to my albino. about 20% of progony (splits) developed the bends. And when breeding split back to albino, im not sure if any look 100% right. I thought it maybe something I was doing wrong (food/environment etc). So have bred and raised normal bell frogs and ewingii, and less than 5% deformed with bells and only ever seen one bent ewingii. Tried various foods and keep getting the same result

I'm trying to find an explanation as to why the albinos i have been breeding have deformed backs. Can this possibly be bred out of them, or am I wasting my time? This is one of the better looking frogs. ps that frog just died mysteriously. So I thought id have a look. Was nothing abnormal, to my eye, other than the bone. :oops:

I used damp bran and milk powder. Still has potential to get smelly, especially if there are not enough eggs laid as the mix would spoil before being consumed. But was nothing like rotting meat. Easy to breed, but fine art to perfect. I think some one should try soldier flies. They seem to be the new rage overseas (chicken and reptile food) and as far as I can tell they have been found in NZ for over 50 years, predominantly up north. May be up to 20 species in NZ, so could prove interesting. Still worth a try.

found this interesting reading "With the new acrylic roof I got from Germany that let's all the UV (ultra-violet light) through, I'm getting a 90% survival rate rather than a 90% failure." http://www.orokonui.org.nz/newsdetails.php?newsID=49 cheaper to get some uv tubes i bet

http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/invercargill/163463/too-many-tuatara-nowhere-go?page=0%2C1

if only we could beleive a word the Aussies said :sml1: still, what an incredible species of amphibian.

pretty sure (may be wrong) a koura would take on the biggest snail it could find.

Is good thinking Nymox. Will try save one if I see another (the skink is for sale). I've never been 100% sure that is what they are. But after googling today and given there was two (as should be given they have hemipenes) I'm now convinced. I see these often, maybe even monthly.... Hence pondering about fertility.

Yeah, if you put enough thought into it i guess it is. Just another day in the reptile world. :nilly: It did lead me to wonder if they're more fertile before or after the shed .... and or why they shed. could be because it hasnt had the chance to mate. Or maybe it's similar to that of a womens menstrual cycle ...

Went out after posting pics, and its gone Skink either slithered through it or got the munchies :lol:

depends on the mind analysing it :lol: