Benjansss Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I have gotten Java fern put on the mpi import plant list :happy2: hello rare varieties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 What do you mean? It was already on the list :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I checked some time back and if I remember correctly, it actually wasn't on the MPI's PBI import list. Although it's listed as "Requires assessment". What process did you go through to get it added? To be honest, plant imports are pretty uncommon nowadays. All aquatic plants require a quarantine facility with some strict rules and 3-6 month QT. Unfortunately even if a plant is allowed in the country, it doesn't mean that it will come in to the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Might be useful if anyone was silly enough to be importing plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Java fern is a very generic term. There are three species currently allowed in NZ. Which species have you had added to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Microsorum pteropus and I went to the epa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculator Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I though that species was already easily available in NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Not the rare varietys e.g. trident Phillipine spilt leaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Microsorum pteropus is all the same species: "an aquatic fern from southeast Asia, is highly variable with several different geographic varieties that vary in leaf size and shape". The different varieties haven't been 'unallowed' as such, they're just harder to come by in NZ. I had a piece of trident not that long ago, given to me as normal java fern. As Alex mentioned, it's mostly because people just don't do plant imports often anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Just to clarify (as I didn't know about the PBI list and I imagine a lot of people don't), MPI has a "PBI import list" which can be found here, and is separate to both NIWA's and FNZAS's list of banned/allowed aquatic plants. However, just because it's not allowed in to the country, doesn't mean it's illegal to keep (otherwise MPI would have a pretty big job to do...). I honestly don't know who determines what's legal once it's actually in the country. The following on FNZAS's list don't match up to MPIs: Alternanthera reineckii needs to be imported under "Alternanthera roseacefolia" (even though they've got it listed with the wrong spelling of the Var too) Cryptocoryne affinis isn't on the list Heteranthera zosteraefolia is not on the list Limnophila sessiliflora is not on the list Lobelia perpusilla is not on the list (oddly, even though most/all natives are) Microsorum pteropus is still under "requires assessment", but when I last checked it was not on the list Riccia fluitans is not on the list Ricciocarpos natans is not on the list (a second native not on the list for some reason) Sagittaria subulata is banned from import Shinnersia rivularis is not on the list (I've not seen it here anyway) Wolffia arrhiza is not on the list Anubias minima is not on the list Aponogeton rigidifolius is not on the list Bolbitis heudelotii is not on the list Cabomba caroliniana is not on the list Cyperus helferi is not on the list Echinodorus barthii is not on the list Echinodorus horizontalis is not on the list Mayaca fluviatilis is not on the list Hemianthus umbrosum is not on the list Hygrophila lacustris is not on the list Limnophila aromatica is not on the list Ludwigia arcuata is not on the list Ludwigia glandulosa is not on the list Ludwigia helminthorrhiza is not on the list (though I need to go about getting some of this again, it was super cute) Nitella isn't on the list but being an algae I doubt it would be Hemianthus micranthemoides is not on the list Samolus floribundus is not on the list Utricularia exoleta is not on the list Vallisneria tortifolia is not on the list Vesicularia montagnei and Vesicularia dubyana are not on the list, but I was unable to find any aquatic mosses on the list. Fun facts: Lilaeopsis ruthiana and Lilaeopsis novae-zelandiae are the only two on the list The only Aponogeton species allowed in are A crispus, A distachyus and A ulvaceus Vallisneria spiralis is under requires assessment which is the same category as a lot of the "allowed" plants and is not currently banned for import. There are many Crinum species on the list, including Crinum calamistratum, but are a rare find here. MPI updates the list when needed (as opposed to for funsies/for the sake of accuracy). Adding a plant species to the list is a bit of a long process - first it involves going through the EPA and proving that the plant is already established in the trade. I've not gone to find out what the process is for plants that aren't yet in the country, but I imagine it's a bit of a mission. Even though Java fern is now on the list, it's still under "requires assessment" and would, well, require assessment. I don't know whether that's a one-off or on a case-by-case basis. But yeah, basically, even though it's not illegal to keep, that doesn't mean it was legal to import (I suspect most of our plants were brought in illegally based on the list above). But just because it's legal to import, doesn't mean it will be imported. A Level 2 Aquatic quarantine facility isn't exactly cheap to set up, to run, and a 6 month QT is a big investment for plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 What happened to your piece of trident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 In order to avoid the extra costs I would import it grown in a pot emerged so normal plant rules ably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 In a pot of what? I'm not sure what EPA has to do with things being added to the list. That is under MPI control. Post us a copy of the official letter you got regarding it being put on the list please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 In order to avoid the extra costs I would import it grown in a pot emerged so normal plant rules ably I've not heard of them being lenient on how they are quarantined other than the "Aquatic Plant" requirements. But you still need a quarantine facility. And I believe an import permit, and a phytosanitary certificate and a billion different things. RE EPA: I contacted MPI a while back in regards to adding plants to the list, and this was the response I received: "You must directly approach the EPA to have new plants added. This may be relatively easy, or difficult, depending on the status of the species as to presence." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Well thats really interesting to hear. I hope it was a genuine response and that they send all the necessary information through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 They said the email was confidential and when I'm older I get a professional plant importer and in a pot of dirt duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-town... Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 They said the email was confidential and when I'm older I get a professional plant importer and in a pot of dirt duh I put a $50.00 bet down that this will never happen. Been there tried that. You will end up spending in excess of $500.00 for one species of plant in which you will never make that money back. I don't think you quite understand how difficult it is to import aquatic plants compared to fish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Well thats really interesting to hear. I hope it was a genuine response and that they send all the necessary information through. They were surprisingly helpful, and helped to direct me to those I needed to contact about it Unfortunately my little project is being postponed for a while, but they were definitely willing to help when I contacted them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 They said the email was confidential and when I'm older I get a professional plant importer and in a pot of dirt duh If the email from them is confidential then you have kind of broken the whole deal by talking about it on here. Any one of us could phone and ask them about it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I put a $50.00 bet down that this will never happen. Been there tried that. You will end up spending in excess of $500.00 for one species of plant in which you will never make that money back. I don't think you quite understand how difficult it is to import aquatic plants compared to fish... I don't think under stand what I'll do I'll import grown emerged so normal plant rules would apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I don't think under stand what I'll do I'll import grown emerged so normal plant rules would apply Have they said to you that they can be imported as normal plants (eg no Aquatic Plant Quarantine) when grown emersed, or have you assumed that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Well the thing is that I didn't make the inquiry to it as an aquatic plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 So... you lied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjansss Posted May 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 No because it isn't always an aquatic plant it's naturally grows out of the water most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 I'm not sure what EPA has to do with things being added to the list. That is under MPI control. You have to go to EPA to approve new organism just like fish, then once they approve it then MPI do a disease risk. Nice to get it approved, however unlikely plants will ever be imported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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